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margo24
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# Posted: 4 Oct 2009 11:48
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Was just reading in other posts, where people ask about good internet marketing programs etc. And i can seen OWM is everywhere. Can someone please explain me, how this product is anywhere close to being good?
I bought this myself some time ago, and after 2 days, asked for refund. Why? I mean seriously. Would you pay money on something, what tells you how to search in google? OWM tells you how to create a lens in squidoo (free guide in squidoo.com). How to ping your lens (free guide in squidoo). Where to post articles (search article directories in google - so free again). How to get backlinks (free information out there, google mostly and forums). How to connect squidoo lenses (featured lens module). I mean all information in OWM is out there for free. Either in squidoo forum, other people lenses or google.
And you are not going to succeed online if you follow this "one week 1 campaign". First you need to master one, succeed there...then you can either improve it...or go for next. Doing many different things on same time...will lead to fail.
If you treat your business like a hobby or crap...you get crap and hobby results. Focus.
Lets even take baseball. Will you be a top class player, if you play for fun, lets say hour a week. And next week you play hour again. Spend hour in gym, something else...another week something else, few hours baseball. I mean think about it.
But lets say you stay on baseball and want to get better. So you keep playing. Improve yourself...play more and more...no other sports. Just baseball...total focus. Which way you become top class player? Doing bit of this...and bit of that...OR...doing only 1 thing.
OWM tells you to do bit of this and that. Every week something different. So how can you get any better?
I would set goals to myself. Like how much i want to make per month, what i need to do, to get this far. If i have completed my goals...and i have succeeded...i move on to new niche, OR...i will stay there...make it even better....get even more money rolling in.
So can someone please explain me, how this product is good. Or am i wrong here. Is doing "bit of this and that" good or is "full focus" good.
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westfam11
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2009 08:39
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Margo24,
It is true that all of the information in OWM can be
found for free somewhere. But most people don't
know what they need to do so how could they know
to look for it? The step-by-step instructions if
very helpful.
The great thing about OWM is that all of the
information is given to you without you having
to go hunt for it. And if you are anewbie you
don't know what you need to do in the first place
so how can you find it online if you don't know
what you are looking for.
With OWM it is laid out step-by-step, do this,
then do this. It is a very well done program
and you receive lots of updates from PotPieGirl
when there are changes or if she has an idea
that will help you make your lens better or make more
money.
It is definitely worth the price to have everything
in a step-by-step manner to follow. It is very
precise and once you have one lens done, you
go to the next and do the same step-by-step again.
It is not going in a lot of different directions.
It is very helpful.
Becky
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mountainmom5
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2009 09:12
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Becky nailed it! 
All I know is that I thought I knew everything about building lenses but I could not get traffic to them until I used the OWM plan (and actually it is probably all the little tricks she throws in here and there).
Yeah, I agree, I probably did not take the time to find all the stuff on Google that she mentions , and everyone is in a different place with their IM experience.... but it was actually the Conversation with Nick that helped me the most.
I guess I have not ever downloaded anything or bought anything that I did not learn from in some way or other.
margo24: OWM tells you to do bit of this and that. Every week something different
I am not sure what you are talking about here - I guess maybe you didn't read all of it in the two days.
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margo24
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2009 13:52
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So its a good idea, to take money from people, who don't know anything? But thats gives me a big opportunity to make my own product. Mostly about squidoo and stuff...charge half what is OWM and im pretty sure i will do well. Lets say "7 day marketing plan". But i wont do it. I want people to remember me, who gives information for free. Look at Travis Sago. A great man. Should be in history books. Why? He gives out great information for free. And why he makes more sales than PotPieGirl? He made BUM Marketing...for free. People trust and follow him. Then he makes sales. A lot of sales. Because people follow him...they know his stuff is good.
Mountainmom: what i mean is: OWM tells you "one campaign per week". Right? If you think im wrong...ill take a screenshot from the guide. Guide starts with "search 1 niche". And at the end of the guide...its says everything repeats. So next week you start with new niche. I mean seriously...think about it. Its so wrong. You fail badly. You make more money with 10 huge campaigns than 52 crap campaigns.
I didnt have to read it more than 2 days. You understand pretty fast that " every week different campaign" is a fail. Or every week new niche. And i know im right here...working every week on different niche...is bad.
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mountainmom5
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2009 14:48
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margo24: I didnt have to read it more than 2 days. You understand pretty fast that " every week different campaign" is a fail. Or every week new niche. And i know im right here...working every week on different niche...is bad.
Okay - gotcha. I think I understand now.
Yes, you have a point there. I don't do a campaign per week and it usually takes me longer than a week to set one up.
I am sure you will agree that when you first get started with affiliate marketing, and until you get your feet wet, so to speak, there is a lot of trial and error in finding your "niche"..
Some of those campaigns that get set up will do well, and others will produce nothing.
It's the life of Internet Marketing.
I personally work more with SBI and use what I have learned with OWM , Bum Marketing, 30 Day Challenge etc along with that to make a much bigger campaign than simply setting up a few lenses.
However, I do promote OWM and will continue to do so, as it was what helped me over the hump in understanding a lot of stuff, and I am sure others will continue to benefit from it.
margo24: You make more money with 10 huge campaigns than 52 crap campaigns.
You are so right - and that is covered in OWM as well.... to focus on the campaigns that are making sales and keep building on them, posting to blogs, adding lenses, etc... until you are ready to build your own website and then you will be beyond the training that is in OWM anyways..
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margo24
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2009 05:02
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Oh we got somewhere . And thats why i said, its bad idea to create lots of campaigns. Only few will do and you can make lots of money. And there isnt point to create campiagn, if you dont do a research and a lot of it. Then go and test it. Its pointless to create it...then test it. Waste of time...but time is money
So to really start...ye its kinda good, but what she charges for it...unreal. There is forums, where you can get basics. Like this one here
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mountainmom5
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2009 12:44
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margo24: So to really start...ye its kinda good, but what she charges for it...unreal
The basic plan for $47 is not bad.... it's basically what most people are charging for that kind of a program. (some are way more, in fact) About the price of a tank of gas.... except it can help you a bit more than getting a couple miles down the road. lol
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Dgitalnomad
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2009 16:32
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The value of OWM is the daily and weekly tasks. I am not a big fan of Squidoo to make money.
Use this plan to create websites or blogs that you own.
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2009 17:25
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This is hilarious on all fronts, seriously.
Here's the deal - what matters more - providing true value for your readership or making a quick buck?
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mountainmom5
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2009 20:29 · Edited by: mountainmom5
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Newbie Shield: This is hilarious on all fronts, seriously. Here's the deal - what matters more - providing true value for your readership or making a quick buck?
Thanks I receive that....
p.s. did it cross your mind to get out the wooden spoon? I learn best that way, you know...
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2009 09:30
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Hi M5 (Margo24 below),
Actually, I wasn't addressing you at all else I would have used your name as per my usual method, no?
Perhaps a good wooden spoon session will ensure that'll you'll never forget it! 
I was referring to Margo's fronts though perhaps it's my fault that I didn't clarify it.
Margo24,
Is it really a rip-off? Here's the litmus test: Apply your theory to other topics. If you knew little to nothing about a certain topic and found a guide like that, would it still be a rip-off?
Try thinking of...chess, marathon running, repairing a motorcycle engine, etc...
I'm sure that all of that can be found for free on the net as well. It's good to get it from one source and to be able to trust the truth and accuracy of it all.
As far as the price goes, it's market basics - the law of demand and competitive pricing aka the going rate. It's common to charge $47 for a decent online marketing system.
The success of each campaign is dependent upon your own abilities. The information is there. You just have to be good at it to make it work.
After you imbibe most of the basics, it's a good idea to spend money on three or so well-chosen premium systems. That way you know you've gained exposure to enough stuff to have the best chance of success.
Good luck,
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2009 09:43
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hehe - you are funny - I did deserve it though... as I was in a bit of a defensive mood there.
Dgitalnomad: The value of OWM is the daily and weekly tasks. I am not a big fan of Squidoo to make money. Use this plan to create websites or blogs that you own.
Great point, in fact, that is what I do with it a lot...and I am sure you can do the same with WA, PL, MOIS, and all the other great programs out there.
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Dgitalnomad
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2009 14:50
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I think OWM offers some value for those new to IM, I just am not a huge fan of Squidoo, except for creating backlinks.
You do not own the sites you build there. So why not spend your time and energy building site you control.
The power od OWM is having a daily and weekly plan.
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bzimm
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2009 19:31
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While Squidoo used to be pretty good, they've cracked down a lot on what you can and cannot do. That and you are limited to the design you can put on there.
Blogger is much easier to control not only the look of the page itself, but just how promotional you can be. The problem with using squidoo or blogger is that you don't own either one. If your going to get serious, at somepoint in time your going to have to buy your own domain and hosting. For people starting out there is nothing wrong with using free sites, but at some point your going to need to pony up the money for your own.
Between Squidoo and Blogger though for a platform, I'd take blogger any day of the week.
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2009 23:30
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I agree with you on the blogger thing as far as a website, but for some reason I can get way more generic traffic to my Squidoo sites than to blogger.
Like tons more.
And I absolutely agree about having your own website. Squidoo drives a lot of traffic to my websites, which is why I like to use it.
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margo24
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# Posted: 15 Oct 2009 17:23
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Ok, reading some post for me, so here is what i think again:
So you will be happy to pay for somebody to create you a daily plan? I mean if you cant set up your own plan what to follow. You are not going to follow other persons plans. This is a fact. You set up perfect plan for yourself...somebody else dont know you so good.
Im pretty sure that 90% of who replied here are from Wealthy Affiliate. I might be wrong, but just the way i get replies...it looks like people from Wealthy affiliate. Because owner of OWM is from there.
There is a smart guy...who runs a Traffic Dynasty with his best friend Chris. And he recently made another video for members (oh...Kyle and Carson are too lazy to create videos). And he said "you can read how many guides you want, have many plans you want. But if you dont know what to do...or running around circles. You will fail."
So i will stay on my point of view: i will do lots of research and then i create a campaign. Not wasting my time creating 1 after another and then waiting. Its a waste of time...and time means money.
Good luck for who ever goes as OWM says (every week new campaign). Even market research can take more.
If you do things wrong from start as a newbie...you will never learn how to do things right. You end up buying guide after guide. You will fail after fail. Some learn..some dont.
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Dgitalnomad
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# Posted: 15 Oct 2009 22:24
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@margo24
My experience is that is that for niche sites it is best to create and work on several sites at once for several reasons.
First, the 80-20 rule applies to websites just like everything else. 20% of your sites will be successful and 80% won't. You will not know which ones until you let them age for a few weeks or even months.
Secondly, you will not get bored launching and working on several websites in groups. It is more productive and also more interesting.
Thirdly, if you plan ahead and have multiple website that produce income, you will not risk having all your income disappear if a site gets de-indexed by Google. Trust me, this will happen. It does not matter what your method of monetizing happens to be.
Who wants to spend all their time on one website, and then find out it is a flop? Just another reason why people get disenchanted.
Why put all your eggs in one basket? You need to think about all of this if you are serious about staying the course in IM.
Always model success. If someone has a plan that works...I am always interested in trying it, or changing it to work for me.
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# Posted: 21 Nov 2009 05:53
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