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# Posted: 2 Sep 2009 07:16 · Edited by: thriftgirl62
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quote "I'm currently looking for people to partner with to expand my new Internet business. Full training is provided. Check out my site for details at: "
www.mlmdownlinesystem.info
I went to this offer you have listed but it REFUSES to go to the terms or privacy or earnings disclosure links at the very bottom.  Those have all the important information so why don't they work?
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Homebiz99
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# Posted: 2 Sep 2009 20:18
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I joined Paul Birdsall's Program, Streamline Funnel System on July 27,2009. They have continually made promises they have Not kept. My account has been charged over and over again for $9.99, $39.99, & $99.99. To date I have NOT received the commissions they promised. I have contacted their customer support many times and No Response from them yet. I am Canceling my membership.
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# Posted: 2 Sep 2009 21:21 · Edited by: thriftgirl62
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Did you see the previous page about how to get a  REFUND?
If not, join the rest of America's NON-READING CROWD. If more
people would simply shut up and READ everything in front of
them, there would NOT be so many victims.
I know some professionals who make their living legally
just by knowing what's going to be read and what isn't.
!st thing to read no matter what is the bottom links -- see
my post RIGHT ABOVE THIS ONE - What does it say??
Nobody should have the opportunity to get your dime
on your time. What's in it for you?
Anyone who joined after July 18th could have simply did a
simple search or sent an email to: free@43yrs.com for the
beginning of the end. Follow @thriftgirl62 on Twitter
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# Posted: 2 Sep 2009 21:38
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As I reported, I got my refund, and I don't know anyone at company, just another person who said, hey, for $40.00 it was worth a try, sure have spent a lot more on a lot less in the past.
I also got paid commissions, so I figured I would give it another month since I am not out of pocket at this point. My sponsor has seen some results from SFS, three new subscribers, not thrilling, but in the money if they stay onboard which is the bottom line.
Time will tell,
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# Posted: 4 Sep 2009 10:18
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I would agree with you except for 1 thing. Your member ID aka affiliate number is simply a "placeholder" when leads click it unless they sign up during that same session.
Once the lead you have generated leaves the page, it has been donated to SFS who then uses it for the so-called blasts he claims to send. Your member ID is not on any Rotator - if you want to see first hand check yourself.
Click on your link as if you were a prospect and you will be emailed more information with 4 links from a rotator -- which does NOT include your link. The member ID's are listed here:
http://43yrs.com/mailman/listinfo/sfs_43yrs.com
Check that information and if I'm wrong - show me where? I hope I am. Nobody seems to want to know the pre-launch promoting didn't give them ANY leads and those were their personal recruiting efforts! They don't want to know their Link is NOT included in any rotator or solo mailing, NONE....check it out.
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Anything you have is because they put there so you will defend
the program - you are 1 in 3,000 so you must be good at it - they have your belief and faith... can't touch that with money.
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2009 18:49
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I went against my own advice and joined without checking Scam.com and Complaints.com. I knew of Paul Birdsall as having a good reputation and like a------- I signed up. And I guess I signed
up (today) after all the confusion has died down. I absolutely will never sign up on anything that is a pre-launch.
I will wait and see what happens and not ask to cancel right away
because they are already under a deluge of Support problems.
On the bright side I am now #2 in the largest MLM in the world and
..... well, that does not have anything to do with this post,so I'll quit.
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ca080993
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# Posted: 10 Sep 2009 14:57
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SFS is NOTHING but a Bait and Switch. There is a TON of hype on the front end that has yet to be delivered on.
So far they have had issues billing credit cards and CANNOT get Lead Links out in a timely manner. Many of us PAID the $39, then for Lead packages from $99 +++ and then they can't deliver in a timely manner.
We had to have Credits issued, then had to rebill through another Merchant provider, the whole thing is a JOKE. These guys need to learn how to under promise and over deliver but with them it's the other way around.
Better yet, the Leaders are all in Shaklee, they uses SFS as a pitch to make $$ and then come in on the back end and pitch Shaklee and say they are going to build a Business for you!!
As a full time Networker for almost a decade I can say that is an absolute JOKE. Stay away from this mess!!!
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# Posted: 10 Sep 2009 16:22
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I can honestly say, that i haven't got one good thing to say about Paul Birdsall and his Scam team. I joined at pre-launch, the system sound fine, but the people are great sales men. This is nothing more that a big scam. I tried cancelling my account, I received a reply to say that my account is cancelled, but they still went and take money out of my account. My Son also cancelled, and again they took money out of his account after he cancelled.
You can't tell me that this is legal. I don't care what anybody say! this is a scam.
My advice is, If it sounds to good to be true, it more likely is.
I have now cancelled my cards so they can't take anymore money out.
I am now talking to my card suppliers to see what can be done.
To say i am angry is putting mildly.
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briandavis
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# Posted: 15 Sep 2009 22:18
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I suppose it's because the site is still in pre-launch. And since it it 100% free and requires a prospect to double optin and all messages have an unsubscribe link, it doesn't seem to be an issue.
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# Posted: 15 Sep 2009 22:26
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I can't believe there are people out there still promoting the streamline funnel system 
I guess if you throw enough crap on the side of a barn something is bound to stick.
Sometimes I feel like dropping my morals and values and creating a system like that and making some fast money, then head off to a small 3rd world country and live high on the hog.
People are actually paying Paul Birdsall to build Paul Birdsall's list. How stupid is that.
I'm really sorry for the 1000's that got caught up in this.
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2009 07:25
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Update:
Well, another couple weeks have gone by, and no doubt the rotator and lead packages have started, I have been getting hit with emails even though my spam filters are at maximum setting, so makes me wonder how they are doing that? lol
Anyway, I have been clicking on these emails and sure enough, the ID's are rotating, so at this point I can only assume they are going out, the ID's ranged from low to a high of 23099 range that I checked.
I know others who have seen results from system, so I am more hopeful today than before as I got notice that mine were activated, so now the real test begins, how many will I get from system.
On a side note, even before my site went into rotator, I got one person placed into Phase II which is Shaklee. This was a surprise since it was someone I didn't know, as in, not one of my personal referrals or anyone from my own efforts of mine as I had stopped promoting to wait and see how they handled all these hiccups with merchant account and refunds and rebilling.
So there you have it, I test and research everything, and if I even get enough to sustain my personal subcription cost of $39.95, that was my main goal. To date, I have gotten more than what I put into system, and with what is pending to be paid on this periods commission run, I am up enough personally to stay in for the long term if these people do not drop out, and that my friends is the real test as attrition is the number one killer of all programs.
One thing I have learned over the years is to never say never, and no matter how many hiccups were experienced, it is all about how they are handled, and to date, seems to me most have been. I also know a few who wanted to quit and had gotten refunds, and scanning all the related basher sites, there are some, but then again they are also promoting another program, and we all know what that means, they quit and jumped on next bandwagon. I choose to give it a little longer, and rarely will I not give a program at least six months, usually a year.
I can't tell you how many times I have seen people quit after first month and regret it for a lifetime, is was a painful lesson I learned many years ago, but I don't want to think about it. lol Will it work for everyone, I doubt it, nothing works for everyone, never has, never will. Will this work for most, that is the question, and for $39.95, sure was worth a shot in my opinion given so many do not work that I have tried, I figure I have to be getting close to the time one does. Anyone who has been in their own business knows you have to fail before you can suceed, and only the quitters are never winners, so time will tell.
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2009 08:08
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Anyone know whats happening with this program.
I am in it but dont have a clue lol.
Since paul opened phase 2 which was to join his downline in shaklee there have been no Vlogs or updates on the forum.
Just really no information about anything.
But i have to add that they have 3 webinars a week now for the shaklee part of the streamline funnel system, i also have to add that you are not allowed to know what is happening with phase 2 shaklee on the forum unless you have paid the $300 to upgrade.
Looking at things it seems this program is dead in the water and i have been scammed out of $200+.
Its been 2 months since i purchased my lead pack and it still hasnt gone out, also the rotators still havent even started going out yet which i pay my $40 memebrship fee for every month.
Karen it would be great if you could enlighten us all on all this here, as you have disabled you PM at the official streamline forum which you moderate and dont actually answer anyones posts now which have to be authorised by you before you allow it to be posted.
Which is 99% of the time never because out of the nearly 4000 members of the sfs forum nobody has anything positive to post.
I would also like to know how paul thinks he is going to las vegas this month when by american law he is not allowed to enter the U.S now because of his recent tax evasion charges.
It would take 6+ months for him to gain the necessary documentation to enter the U.S even as a canadian.
If you could explain these things for me Karen would be great.
Nothing is happening in this program for anyone to want to stay on, I used to be the biggest supporter of this program but have just about given up now and am seriously thinking of joining the group which is filing complaints against paul and crew to the RCMP, i believe they have over 1000 signatures now lol.
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# Posted: 17 Sep 2009 22:34
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getagrip: Usually, paying for leads and that kind of thing is a waste of money...
I have to agree with that.
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# Posted: 18 Sep 2009 09:48
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After a review of the cost of the leads which came down to 400 per $40 spent on the basic level. I had to realize I can get more leads for the same price elsewhere and import the leads into my a/r account and send out whatever message I wanted. And I'm sure I can get better quality leads.
I do have to admit I like the shaklee comp-plan with the infinity group volume pay and the straightline that Paul has successfully worked it to make him and others involved a lot of money. However, he's dropped the ball on SFS and the feeder it was for Shaklee has taken over completely.
People were charged after canceling, self included and never got the leads sent, which is what was paid for. I'm submitting to my credit card company for a refund for failure to deliver product.
Paul and SFS may not be a scam, but it has become a sham.
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# Posted: 18 Sep 2009 15:19
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Not true,
Say what you want about system, the verdict is still out in my opinion, but the 400 leads is not correct, you get the full 10K on a rotational basis, and judging from the emails I have gotten, they are no doubt going out and getting through, which is more amazing than anything else to me. I have spam filters set to highest level and his rotation emails still get through, so that did impress me, still would like to know how his system does it.
As to Shaklee, yes, it is the perfect program to stack to infinity, and that I can say is working, I got my second person placed under my Shaklee and I have not even seen any results from SFS yet. lol Strange how that worked out, and some I know have gotten a lot more, so I am beginning to think there is more to this than we imagined, it just may work as promoted, so I am hanging in there for I am in profit enough to cover several months, just got second round of commissions today, so we shall see.
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# Posted: 18 Sep 2009 21:25
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Dude you can get a better deal on the leads, that's a fact: http://wholesaleleadstore.com, and I have another source with better deals. If you are in a pool of 25 then you have to take the average number. You aren't personally getting 10K leads. Be real!
With NPN I import leads, one of the few places to do it.
Shaklee is the best deal going with him and does all he does for that purpose. I'm not displeased with that but SFS is not all that, it's a feeder for Shaklee, its just that jump from $40 to $300 is big, unless you make the sales with SFS, and if you are waiting on the SFS system to do that you'll be waiting. You don't need SFS to join Shaklee and benefit from the straightline action.
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# Posted: 19 Sep 2009 22:19
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Wrong,
It was clearly defined that 10K were getting your ID in rotator, and the only time they counted was if they were opened. So unless Paul is lying, this was defined after many had asked, including myself. Will it work this way forever, no, it was never stated it would, but I do know I am getting a lot of his rotator emails as I was clicking on them to see ID#, and they are indeed different, yet then come from two different email addresses, so until I see proof it is not working as defined, I will stick with what I heard first hand and wait and see.
All leads are not created equal, and I could buy a million for under a hundred bucks, but we all know, you get what you pay for, or at least you should know that. No dount there are tons of BS lead deals out there, and I have beta tested dozens over the years with little results, just as I am testing SFS leads. It will not take much to determine if they are good or not, so when mine go out, then I will know and report back, but for now, I like what I am seeing.
As to Shaklee feeder, yes, that is the focus, and for good reason, it works and everyone knows Shaklee has been around for over 50 years with a sparkling reputation in the industry, but I will agree, $299. is a lot of money for most to jump up to, but, and this is a big BUT at this point, what if the SFS system generates enough profit to cover this cost? It all fits together nicely if this works out as planned, and again, although many are seeing results who were in first, I am still waiting on SFS leads, so I personally cannot comment yet on results, maybe next week as mine just went into que the other day, then I will know personally if program is working.
If it works as promoted, great, we all know most need a feeder program to succeed, and this is as good as it gets for hands off automated systems, so I will give it time to prove itself before passing judgement. Getting the leads for my other programs if they do not see the benefits of Shaklee, or cannot afford the step up is other side of coin, so we just don't know yet, but for SFS to do all the work recruiting into Shaklee, great, this part is working as I have seen placements into my Shaklee even before I am in rotator.
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# Posted: 20 Sep 2009 12:17 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
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There is no validity to your lead argument as it relates to SFS because you haven't even got the leads, and nor will you ever actually get the leads you pay for. If you think his system is going to give you more valuable leads than any other GOOD lead company you are mistaken.
I was initially in it because I thought it had potential but further careful evaluation made me move on. Fact is Shaklee is a good move from a networking stand point, particularly getting in with a team that has momentum and can really help explode the group volume. However, SFS is not worth the investment, as I see it, as one can do better on their own, and still jump in the Shaklee line Paul has. He's not going to turn down any new Shaklee wannabees.
People won't end up with any better results than from any other good, not saying SFS is good or bad as to the quality of leads, email lead source. And if it's all about the open emails then, you are even getting less than 400. It doesn't matter that they don't count unless they are open, what does count is the $40 a month open or not.
But good luck with it, but don't let profits from shaklee get drained by SFS. There are plenty of other system to serve as feeders to shaklee if that is what someone wants to do.
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# Posted: 20 Sep 2009 13:56
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Interesting,
I said, not everyone knows yet, for only the first in are in rotation as of a couple weeks ago, and from those I know and trust, it is working.
The reality is, I can only state what was promoted as a rotation strategy of 10K going out in groups of 25, and each will get full 10K, and they are opened up web site link verified, so this I find a great deal in the overall market of lead systems. Until proven otherwise, and that was the whole point of post, I am still waiting to see my results. I will give it a month since my notification of leads in que was just received last week, so we shall see.
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# Posted: 21 Sep 2009 11:13
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ca080993 - Yes...but its no different than Ty Coughlin's Reverse Funnel System. It's a self-funded proposal which allows individuals to earn on the front end. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this business model.
Yes, there have been some issues with Streamline but it appears
that he is working through the issues.
Yes, I saw the posts on Scam.com....who cares. People will complain about anything. For all I know that could be his competition trying to ruin his reputation and business...it happens. Some of the complaints may be legitimate.
Do I think he is a saint? No, but I'm sure most of us have done some things in our past that we are not proud of, would you not agree? If it were made public you would be ashamed. He's not perfect and neither are you.
So far I've been paid in SFS, my lead packages are going out and I've also made money in the second phase of the program. This all took some time but they are doing what they said they would do.
briandavis - LOL. Not all of us are "stupid". I actually have my
own lead capture page set up. If you are sending leads to your
affiliate program you will always build their list....set up your
own lead capture page on the front end and build your list too.
The majority of the people who signed up with me are from my own marketing efforts. Streamline has placed 4 people + 3 Gold Ambassadors (phase 2) on my team so far. That is more than enough to cover my monthly membership and lead package.
Theresa
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# Posted: 8 Oct 2009 09:28
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Are you serious,is this working for you ,im new to internet mrketing and stumbled across this and its like the answer to my dreams. i am on the trial and i 'm wondering weather it would be a worthwhile investment. the automation part seems to good to be true and i dont wan to be negative cause i wan to make make money fast and quit my job.
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# Posted: 8 Oct 2009 09:54
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so how many people have do you know have success with this system, i am on the trial, do u think it is worth it ? especially for newbies to internet marketing?
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# Posted: 8 Oct 2009 10:46
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Carlstru, your biggest challenge will likely not be SFS as much as the thought that you are going to jump on the internet and join a business and make money fast and quit your job.
Success is NOT an event, but a process!
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# Posted: 8 Oct 2009 21:05
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Update:
Well, I am now in the rotation and my lead packs have been checked as being processed. I can say I see rotator working as I have gotten several emails from system, so I know they are going out as I checked and ID's were different each time.
I have only seen one new person to date, so I cannot say it is worth it if you are not promoting it personally along with rotation or lead package. The whole reason I joined is to have an automated system as I work several online businesses and it is all about time management, so I will let it run and see what develops since I am up a few hundred after expenses to date even with start up issues.
Is it worth it, so far yes, will it be worth it for everyone, this I cannot answer, but the system does appear to be working for many, some better than others which I am sure relates to when they joined and how much longer system has been working for them. Time will tell, and I am willing to be patient for a few more months to further evaluate results for not only myself, but others I know who are in ahead of me.
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2009 10:48
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what is all this negativity about sfs, they had a slow down but its all fine now, i am making money with streamline funnel system.....IT IS NOT A SCAM!!!
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2009 05:23 · Edited by: Whoot
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The leads dont work and are most certainly not double opt in.
I stayed in until now because i wanted to see if the leads work like they said they will, they dont and i can report a 0% conversation rate on the leads.
This program wont work because people see pauls name on the site and lead emails and run, imagine mike dillard or someone with this program it would be awesome and very successful, reputation goes a long way on the internet and unfortunately pauls stinks!
Im out, 3 months with no results is all i can take, nothing but false hope and false promises, paul has a new reason each month as to why we should hold on a little longer to see results.
he only cares for shaklee and this was what it was all about.
Hes a horrible character and i will never work with him again and will warn as many people in the future if i see one of his scams floating about the internet (im sure hes got his new one planned from the millions he has made from us sfs suckers already)
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2009 05:34
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I have to say a was worried when they started censoring the forum, i knew this was a very bad sign that nobody had anything positive to post, but the thing that made me think enough is enough is when i found out they are reading members PM's!
Can you believe that?!!!
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2009 07:18 · Edited by: WARRANTIES4LESS
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Three months, thanks for your update, I am one who will give it a little longer given the merchant account issues and refunds only delaying everything a couple months as I see it. So technically, this is going into my second month, so given my personal results have more than covered me up until now, and probably a few more months, I will hang in there out of curiosity if nothing else.
Sorry it had not produced for you yet, but I understand, most will not give anything more than three months, that is just a fact with everything in this industry. What I can say about email marketing having tried it all, it is horrible, so weighing this factor into it, I am using SFS as my final test of email marketing to see if it is even worth it anymore. I suspect it isn't, opt in or not, no matter which company or opt in list I use, I get near zero results? lol
It all comes down to one thing, with spam filters as they are, I know most emails I send out never reach a person, never mind the slim odds of having your email read, we are in a transition period, what use to work, no longer does, that is what I have learned over this past year, so how many others are fed up with all these guru's pumping and hyping to bear the band?
As part of my research, I am collecting ID numbers to see the results, or lack of for my database of failures and successes. If you could give me a rough idea of what your ID number was, just range is fine, I am collecting results and failures by user ID range to try to better analyze situation to report to others who are about to quit.
Again, sorry to hear you are not happy, and I may feel the same way in another few months, but I tend to stay the course for a minimum of six months before deciding what to do for future. I could name a dozen guru deals which have not worked, as I am sure many others here could. The era of believing all the guru hype and BS is about to end along with PPC, CPA, email marketing, predictive call dialer systems, link exchanges, banner exchanges, web site traffic exchanges, fax blasts, direct mail, post cards, I have used it all over the years, and like each marketing method, they all stop working over time.
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2009 16:05
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I joined SFS early July. It was marketed as an automated system, which is why I joined.
After being charged for 3 monthly subscriptions, and I also purchased 2- $99./10,000 lead pkgs. I have had 1 sign up and made $15.00.
My only sign up has now quit.
My 1st $99./10,000 lead pkg. has been active with emails going out now for 1 month. My 2nd $99./10,000 lead pkg. for almost as long. My monthly subscription pkgs. have NOT had any emails sent yet.
You can argue lead quality all day.
Bottom line is if a campaign doesn't result in at least 1/2 of 1% it's basically useless. That would be 50 signups for my 10,000. Hummm, not even sure what percent - 1 signup is.
Their are so many more red flags with this company, I can't believe I trusted them.
The lack of communication is horrible. No new Vlogs. I have 2 support questions pending for 1 & 1 1/2 months.
The forum is useless as you can't ask any questions.
Sure stay in if you can do your own marketing and recruiting or you have the money to keep spending with little results. Neither option fits my situation.
The entire Shaklee upgrade was missleading as well. Yes, I fell for that also. $300. later I have zero signups. I have been in that for 1 and 1/2 months. Can't afford their products, they are very expensive. The presentation to lure you into Shaklee talked about benefiting from you SFS downline - the thousands that came in after you. That would only happen if someone behind you in SFS who signed up for Shaklee rolled up to you because everyone between you and them did NOT sign up for Shaklee.... very unlikely.
Number don't Lie.
Look at how slow the total SFS numbers have increased behind you. If everyone just got 1 they would be much higher.
It's a sinking ship.
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# Posted: 16 Oct 2009 18:33
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Anyone else have problems canceling.
I canceled 2 months ago. Sent a support ticket they acknowledge the canceling of the account but then they charged me anyway. Then after disputing the charge with my CC, got my funds back, these fools tried to charge the same card again and sent an auto email saying my payment didn't go thru. REALLY!
I wonder with all the apparent past fortune Paul has had, is he spiraling down, because this type of behavior is not conducive for establishing long term business relationships, which he should know better. Seems to be a lot of deception in play.
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