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lpm6229
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# Posted: 14 Nov 2008 02:29
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I barely ever comment on Forums, but i felt like it was neccessary for this one. I am only 19 years old, i have a business on ebay, and own a local student newsletter. My ebay business had blown up about a year ago, and it ended up almost crashing a couple of months ago, the newsletter on the other hand, has not blown up and won't, it will take a long period of time, but the beautiful thing is that if it is to fail one day i will beable to see it months in advance, instead of weeks like the ebay. I signed up for ACN and have taken the worst case scenerio like in every business. 500 is alot to invest, but if i gain 1 person a month, for 12 months i should be able to make my money back within 5 months, lets even say 1 year. after that commission will come from my reps recuritments, and even if i get a lousy 100 a month, thats 1200 dollars a year that i dont have to invest a second into. that atleast will cover my lifetime membership. Lets be realistic here, the system has to somewhat work to have that many people involved, so even if the 10,000 dollar a month check is a lie, if i get 100 im happy. this is not the type of business that i am looking to blow up overnight, but instead of puting my 500 in a cd, with alittle bit of effort i can get more out of it.
Hopes this atleast convinces someone, (Remember the true businesman takes worst case sceniro, business with feelings is a business thats peeling, being rich is not the goal it is only a tool.
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TheChampion
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# Posted: 21 Nov 2008 14:18 · Edited by: TheChampion
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ACN is NOT a scam.
I am not a member of ACN but all these MLM's that people talk about being scams are not scams.
The thing is that you can make so much money in MLM's like ACN but you also have to work very smart on how to do it.
The thing that the MLM industry needs to change though is presenting their business opportunity as if it something that will make you rich quickly and easily.
These MLM's try to convince and 'sell' you on thinking that you only need to get 2 people and those 2 will get 2 and those 2 will get 2 and so on.
The problem with this concept is that only 3% who join you will produce significant duplication and the other 97% will not duplicate.
The reason why the duplication doesn't happen is because the failing 97% lack marketing knowledge!
They join and then they are not properly taught on how to build their business.
But once you do gain the knowledge and you pass it on to your downline is when the "duplication" really does happen and it is truly awesome.
But there are no shortcuts.
You need to STOP trying to convince and 'sell' your business opportunity and focus instead on gaining knowledge and skills on how to correctly market.
Then teach those skills to your team and you'll be amazed at the results.
But anyways, like I was trying to say, MLM's present their opportunity like it will grow magically on its own, when the reality is that the magic is not going to happen until you gain the knowledge and training to make it happen.
There are no shortcuts. 
Tim
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BigCash247
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# Posted: 28 Nov 2008 18:14
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ACN is definately not a scam...
Just make sure you do your research before joining them...
As you would any other opportunity...
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jaynen
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# Posted: 29 Nov 2008 12:54
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ACN definitely isn't a scam. Whether or not a person should join the business is dependent on the person. People who look at things from a perspective of "What do I need to watch out for, what's the catch, what are the cons" probably shouldn't do the business, or any business for that matter; simply because even if they do validate the opportunity, they'll die quickly due to their negativity. It's important to know the pros AND cons of everything, but going into something looking for the cons first is not the way to see an opportunity's potential; it's the best way to safeguard yourself from a scam true, but you'll miss a ton of great opportunities trying to be safe. I look at it this way: If I lose $10,000 in scams, but make $100,000 in legitimate opportunities in a years' time, I'll do that over and over for the rest of my life. Now, if you have a strong business aptitude you probably won't lose much money in scams; the only problem is knowing whether or not you truly have a strong business aptitude.
Personally, I can make money doing anything, literally. I don't care if no one has ever become a millionaire doing it, or thousands have; I don't base whether or not I'll be successful in something on the statistics of the masses. Quite frankly, the masses make around $50k a year, work 9 - 5 for 30+ years, and read at less the a high school graduate level; why the hell would I gauge my potential on those people? I look at everything from a "Who's making the MOST money, what's their background, what advantages/disadvantes do we have to one-another, then finally how much better than or how close can I come to that" perspective. If I look at an opportunity and someone says the average person makes $1000 a month, but the MOST anyone has made is $5000, I'm already half-way out of the door; I don't give a damn about averages, I care about maximums, because that is my philosophy on life and that's where I live. Some may call it a bit arrogant, but I know for a fact that I am more ambitious, driven, and resourceful than 95% of the people out there; if you can't say the same about yourself then either a home-business isn't for you or you need to grow to the point where you can.
Now I'm talking about making $25,000 a month or more; a chimp can make $1 - 5,000 a month in any legitimate opportunity with enough time and hard-work. ACN is obviously a legitimate opportunity; Donald Trump, numerous Attorney Generals, and a number of celebrities would not risk their names if it weren't. If you somehow think ACN duped these people, but you're smart enough to see the tricks that they can't, then I think that says who is really being a bit arrogant and just darn-right silly.
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madmatz
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# Posted: 30 Nov 2008 05:42
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I see a whole lot of excuses on this forum of why ACN won't/doesn't work. To be honest excuses are just that... excuses. There comes a time when you must take responsibility for your own actions, or lack thereof.
Is college a scam because people pay $40,000 and most people never work within their degree? even less are ever financially independent! Of course not. College is merely a tool, to assist the seeker of success. The same as any opportunity. The next time you fail, don't blame anyone other than yourself.
Success is a mindset, you either have it or you don't. You can learn the mindset as most people are not born with it. Only 5% of the population is financially independent! These are the ones who are naturally success minded or taught themselves to be successful.
If you want to learn to be successful here is a great book that is unbiased to any particular industry or profession. "Think and Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill.
If you decide you will accomplish a goal, no one and nothing can stop you from achieving that goal. You must however, truly desire the goal to be reality.
I can't emphasize enough the importance and power of your own thought. It is actually the only factor that really matters.
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madmatz
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# Posted: 30 Nov 2008 05:57
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Breaking News!!! ACN, it's a scam! 3 former attorney generals are in on the scam, Donald trump is in on the scam, 19 governmental bodies are in on the scam, tens of thousands of people are in on the scam, ... you're the only one not in on the scam! What are you waiting for???
I couldn't resist the sarcasm! Take responsibility for your own actions, or lack thereof! Just because you fail at something, it doesn't make it a scam. With that logic someone who graduates college is a scam artist and the failures are just victims.
Come on people...
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AAlomelo
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2008 00:36
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you are making the residual on the monthly payment for the service not the individual call
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about2join
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# Posted: 14 Jan 2009 19:20
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I am signing up with acn tomorrow morning. At first I was nervous because it just seems so much like a pyramid like company, so Ive been researching them all day today just to make sure I want to do this. It seems to me that ACN can stand on stout legal legs here. It is MLM based, but whose to say you cant make it big this way. Success is obtained with hard work and diligence! Not in being lazy and un-positive. Im looking forward to taking opportunity up tomorrow and not being just another skeptic! Post later about how it all turns out!
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TheChampion
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# Posted: 15 Jan 2009 13:52
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Welcome to the forum Alicia,
Keep us updated with your experiences.
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carlafromnh
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# Posted: 20 Jan 2009 15:13
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How has it been since you wrote this blog? My husband and I are thinking about signing up.
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firstwildabeast
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# Posted: 22 Jan 2009 02:08
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I've seen first hand how ACN can change lives. A friend of mine from church used to work in real estate. He and his wife were on the verge of bankruptcy. Now 18 months later they make 5 figures a month. ACN is Not a "pyramid scheme". The compensation plan works. Anyone who says otherwise was either too scared to invest the time and energy to find out or they let the person that sponsored them determine their success. They don't claim you'll get rich quick. In fact they tell you it will take time to develope your customer base. To be truly successful you have to work hard at it.
NO GUTS NO GLORY. I've spent more on the boxes that hold my tools at work. My wife and I signed up in December and I expect to replace my $85,000 per year income within the next 18 months.
Just like anything in life you get out of it what you put into it.
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firstwildabeast
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# Posted: 22 Jan 2009 02:13
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Actually you get bonuses based on how many people become qualified. To get qualified they need to buy in and become a customer. The bonuses are quite lucrative. But it takes alot of work.
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firstwildabeast
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# Posted: 22 Jan 2009 02:16
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To the gutless go none of the spoils.
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molyda
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# Posted: 24 Jan 2009 00:40
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I signed up with Excel in 2004 or so... then in 2007, I find the same people giving presentations about ACN. Same products, better compensation plan!
My thoughts: Excel was bought by Trump and changed the name to ACN.
I don't think ACN is a scam. If you can't explain the MLM right, then people will think it's a pyramid scheme. We know how people can be skeptical about earning money in a different way than a J-O-B and salary wage!
Just like a business, prepare to put in the time and effort necessary to make it launch. It won't happen within a month but it is possible. MLM is not for everyone.
I also think that telecommunications services are a very competitive market and ACN is not offering the best prices. That's why reps ask their friends and families to join and become their clients.
Just because you don't succeed doesn't mean the business is a scam. Seek help and training elsewhere. Find out about MLM and Network Marketing. Sometimes, the team leader is not much of a leader!
Good luck to present and future ACN reps!
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unselfishbuddy
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# Posted: 1 Feb 2009 16:21
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I would simply stay away from any telecommunications mlm program as it is uber competitive. All of these companies, mlm or not, compete keep customers. As a result companies consistently change their plans with the hope to attract new customers. Other companies also offer deals with very nice phones such as iPhone or Blackberry, by making customers sign contracts. Other companies who also happen to provide other services such as cable and internet also offer bundle packages which will then give its customers more discounts. With that said, it is very difficult for a telecommunications independent representative to keep up with the pace of this super competitive market.
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Entre_exec
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# Posted: 5 Feb 2009 07:12
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I just signed up as well. After a horrendous experience at work, I decided I needed an outlet for alternative income, and nothing could be harder than the job I have at present. I am not afraid of work. I would appreciate feedback from Alicia or those presently working with ACN. Any mentoring or support is welcome!
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seeyalater72
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# Posted: 5 Feb 2009 12:15
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I was ironically approached by an ACN member just yesterday. I don't believe ACN is a scam but it's just not for me. A couple of high school buddies of mine first tried to recruit me into ACN about 10 years ago. They had this ultra pushy guy who wanted me to pawn everything I owned to pay the entry fee. I guess that left a bad taste in my mouth so I automatically tune out anyone promoting ACN.
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knight2007
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# Posted: 9 Feb 2009 14:02
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ACN IS A SCAM, THESE GUYS GVING THESE FAKE SUCCESS STORIES OUGHT TO GET A REAL JOB, NO DIFFERENT FROM AMWAY, EXCEL, QUIXTAR, SAME DULL FACTORY DEMO LIKE KIRBY VACCUMS, IF IT SOUNDS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE IT USUALLY IS, I CHALLENGE ANY OF THEM ON THE VALIDITY OF THE BUSINESS. GO TO COLLEGE GET A PROFESSIONAL CAREER, ALL THIS MONKEY ECONOMICS IS A WASTE OF TIME.
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wakeupmoron
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2009 23:43
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This board must be filled with Amatuers.
Do you guys realize the foolishness of paying someone 500 to sell a product that no one buys? Why would I sell home and cell service when that is a saturated, competitive market that is working on such a tight profit margin you will never make any money doing this.
You can send me 500 and I will send you back 700 in a few weeks.
You guys need to understand, that if they charge you to sell their commoditized products that are being pushed by the billion dollar phone companies, why not just go work for verizon and make a real salary and commission, You will be working just as hard, you just get heath benefits and so on.
People just lost billions of dollars on madoff...whats another 500 for ACN.
FOOLS!!!!!LOL!!!
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LPS5000
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# Posted: 28 Feb 2009 03:17
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There is so much opinion on ACN on the net, does anybody have any concrete facts and experiences?
I am researching ACN and I would love to hear from ETL, TC, RVP people, how much do you make a month, and what % comes from residual income and what % comes from T-Cabs?
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Alnyfl1
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# Posted: 27 Apr 2009 00:10
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This is my first posting to the group, so hello to everyone. I am a 47 old Business Owner/Business Coach...I joined ACN about 2 weeks ago and have 11 people in my group and should have over 100 members in my team within a month. I am an Accountant/QuickBooks Consultant that realized I needed residual income. I reviewed the company for a month and am glad that I joined.
I am on the phone with my upline often and these are strong business people who are committed to my success. This week we are riding together and making this happen. What people need to realize in analyzing ACN is that the product line is very much recession proof... what items do people [u]not give up[/u]...cell phones, home phones, TV service, usually not cancelling home security...internet service. You get paid monthly when members in your group pay their services...just like any other company like T-Mobile, Verizon etc. and lets not forget Branch Managers of these retail outlets receive a percentage of the revenue produced by their sales people...not rocket science...same concept. Finally why would Donald Trump waste his time with a non-legit company. Anyone want to build a serious business please contact me.
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jeffathome
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# Posted: 4 May 2009 20:49
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ACN is a huge worldwide company. Just remember the the telecommunications industry is very competitive. You have to find the company that fuels your fire and if its ACN then go for it.
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thinkitandgetit
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# Posted: 3 Jun 2009 01:48
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If I join is there anyone out there to help me? I am the type of person that needs to be shown the "ropes". I have amazing communication and customer service skills and my ability to build rapport with anyone is outstanding. I feel like this could be for me, I just need a bit of a push and nothing will stop me after that...
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Anabanana
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# Posted: 25 Jun 2009 17:50
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Hello all, Just joined this forum and had to add my 2 cents worth. More just to verify that people do make money. I am an RN with over 15yrs under my belt. I had absolutely no sales experience and knew jack about the products ACN sold. I signed up with ACN at the end of March 2009. I have not worked ACN full time and can tell you that I am now an ETL receiving pay almost weekly. ACN pays what turns out to be 5 times a month<---KILLER!!! It is for real. People in life who are already successful do the best because they are proven hardworkers, have positive attitudes and don't give up because something is hard. I.E. Those that buy a gym membership for $500 bucks and then don't go, can't call the gym a scam....people are just lazy....those that buy a license, then decide to watch t.v. instead of calling a few friends/family up and asking "Do you want to make some money, save some money...or both?" have no business posting about how ACN is a waste of time and money.
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bagsdl5
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# Posted: 30 Jun 2009 18:53
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Hey everyone,
I recently signed up for ACN (2 weeks ago) and got to QTT w/in 4 days. I can't for the life of me get people to see the opportunity I see. My mentors and my team are very optimistic I will do fine and people will start to listen. I know if people would give just give me a little of their time they would see what I see w/ACN. My team is already making great money! One of the members is about to quit her main job and go full time w/ACN. I would love to do that too! Anyone have advice on how to get people to listen??
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kjw524
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# Posted: 7 Jul 2009 14:03
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Your language is OUT OF LINE AND TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR!
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BobFirestone
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# Posted: 8 Jul 2009 03:13
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I was signed up for ACN and never did anything with it. Here's why...
1. The $500 kit was 10 pages of order forms. No training materials, no marketing materials, no websites. Nothing I would deem to be of value to help me build a business.
2. The video phone doesn't get me excited. I don't want people to see me when we are on the phone and it only connects to other ACN video phones, when it connects to other video chat services ex. yahoo IM, msn messenger & Skype then it is worth considering.
3. The products are all commodities. A customer can get everything you are selling at the cell phone store in the strip mall.
4. The comp plan is extremely skewed against the new guy. The service residuals take an extremely long time to get to a respectable level. To make $20 on levels 1-3 you need $8000 in group volume!!! To qualify to the 7th level you need 40 customer points, hose are services sold to non-ACN reps.
In my experience interacting with active ACN reps, former reps and potential reps. Very few ACN reps are actually making any money. What I heard a lot was "as a ____ you earn up to". The structure of the comp plan makes it very difficult for the new person to come in and start making a living in the first month or two.
There are so many better opportunities right now that don't require $500 start up fees and competing in businesses that have no uniqueness. Unless the ACN products get you really really really excited look in other places.
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# Posted: 10 Jul 2009 10:34
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I have just heard about ACN in the past few weeks and am trying to get more information on them before making any kind of decision about joining.
I am already involved with a work at home company and I love the services they provide. Great company with great support and training. I haven't signed anyone up yet, but this is only to my own fault. I know that in order to make money you have to put the work in. I am not expecting to get rich quick. But, I know if I keep working consistently - not ever hard work - I will get the results I want in time. The problem is, we could really use the extra money now so our financial situation doesn't get so bad we can't get out of it. I have heard you can make some pretty decent money with ACN in a shorter amount of time -with work, of course.
So, my questions are - can someone tell me exactly what I would need to be doing? How do you market ACN? Is is only by word of mouth to family and friends or do you market on the internet also - free advertising sites and such... Do you have to have meetings in your home? How many hours of work should you really be putting into this in order to get some results?
I don't want to give up my other business, but am worried I would not be able to do both at the same time... I also live in a smaller community and am wondering if this will hold me back with ACN?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I just want to know exactly what I have to do before I jump in. The only other problem is - I don't have the extra $500... So, I really want to know everything before taking that leap. We can't afford to spend that $500 if I am not absolutely sure I can get it back.
Thanks!
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# Posted: 14 Aug 2009 06:53
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It funny how everyone has their own opion about acn but i did spen 500 dollars and im in for about one and a half months i have ten people under me and im making over a 1000 this month. if you join and just sit there and complaint, you will be the person on here writing that acn is no good. i have made my money back everything else is just a bonus. i would be more then happy to help anyone who want to join cause i believe that if i can make it anyone can. i will sign anyone up and make sure your not on here bad mouthing acn cause if you are badmouthing you didnt try, you wanted everyone else to do thing for you
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powerchevy
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# Posted: 4 Sep 2009 11:22
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well their seems to be alot of pro replies to this as their are con's so really it seems like no one is for sure about the legality and the profitablility for the basic joe or jane out there that hears about this. is their any concrete proof out there from someone with creditablility not just someone that had a bad experience with this.
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