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struggler
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# Posted: 9 Sep 2009 23:51
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Hi blu61, just being curious, which coaching program were you introduced by them? I was introduced focuslc.com by them. I'm sure those people who were lured into this in a similar period of timeframe as me is introduced this program. If it is focus coaching program that you were introduced to, then that shows the proof that they are selling the same coaching program for different price. And that's against the antitrust law for being non-competitive. Please let me know.
Also, to answer to your curiosity from your last post, thrive is totally responsible just because they are the one who initially contacted you and introduced these programs to you. Also, this shows that thrive was the one being a telemarketer to consumer and by looking at the registered telemarketing list in Division of Consumer Protection of Utah, they don't even exist. This means that they are illegal to telemarket any service.
http://consumerprotection.utah.gov/lists/telemarketers.pdf
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ouchthathurt
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# Posted: 10 Sep 2009 00:22
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Today on the Utah Better Business website if you search Thrive you find:
On July 2, 2009 the Utah Division of Consumer Protection ("Division") issued an Administrative Citation against Thrive Learning LLC, Infusion Media Inc, Concepts Executions LLC, Six Figure Consulting Corp, Vanuity LLC dba Platinum Training Solutions, The Summit Group of Utah LLC dba Momentum Marketing, Internet Auction Solutions Inc and Accelerated Business Solutions Inc ("Respondents"). The citation states that starting during or before July 2008 Thrive Learning LLC ("Thrive"), along with the other Respondents listed, has been offering a Business Opportunity to consumers. Consumers were solicited and sold materials, education and coaching services for the purposes of enabling the consumers to start their own internet business. The purchase price of the transaction for these consumers exceeded $300 in each case. Consumers were sold online materials and coaching services enabling a consumer to learn about how to sell products over the internet or on eBay. Consumers were provided with access to software that would enable a consumer to build their own customized website to market products and services. Consumers were also provided with ideas and resources on how and where to obtain products to sell, including access to lists of drop shipping companies. Thrive has formally or informally allowed many name and unnamed Respondent marketing companies to sell these products and services with Thrive being responsible for fulfilling the represented products and services to each consumer. Respondent marketing companies were responsible in most cases for all representations made to their respective consumers and were also responsible for collecting payment from each consumer. At all times relevant to these transactions, Respondents were not registered with the Division to offer Business Opportunity sales. These alleged actions are charged as eight (8) counts of violation with a potential maximum fine of $20,000 ($2,500 per count). Respondents also allegedly failed to provide the appropriate disclosure statements prior to transactions. These alleged actions are charged as sixteen (16) counts of violation with a potential maximum fine of $20,000 ($2,500 per count). The Division reserved the right to amend the citation to include unknown consumers who file complaints with their office in the future.
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ouchthathurt
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# Posted: 10 Sep 2009 00:27
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PS
The BBB website that I obtained the statment was
http://www.bbb.org/utah/business-reviews/training-program-companies/thrive-learning-i n-orem-ut-22219354
Scroll to the bottom
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MyChagrin
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# Posted: 10 Sep 2009 23:07
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struggler,
The anti-trust law you are referring to is the Robinson-Patman Act (15 U. S. C. 13) that prohibits price discrimination-- it mandates that two or more purchasers of a commodity from the same seller must be charged identical prices. Of course this is usually used on a much bigger scale for big companies but the result is the same. This law doesn't hold much weight and it is basically never prosecuted in big companies so a fly speck like Thrive isn't going to get much action. But then again it is another law they have broken. More proof of their purposeful fraudulent activity.
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Vampfairy76
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# Posted: 11 Sep 2009 13:11
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Don't do it! They are evil and full of crap. They will take you for a ride and leave you for dead with no remorse. It's there job to make it sound "to good to be true" and they get the money while you are left holding the phone. They do not care about you at all. Only what money they can get from you. "Don't sell your soul" Do the research and save yourself.
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ouchthathurt
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# Posted: 12 Sep 2009 10:49
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With the actions against them, the bad bbb ratings, poor blogs and postings all over the internet, the credit card chargebacks and the history of this organization... I would bet that they are going to morph into another name and/or organization real soon. How can't they?
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struggler
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# Posted: 19 Sep 2009 12:00
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I spoke with one of the manager at FOCUS the other day. He told me he would get my representative on the phone, Alex Saavedra, Zachary Bradshaw on the phone to call me back. But such call was not given to me as all of us already know why.
Also, I spoke with a guy who works at thrive learning, I asked for guy who initially called me and the representative who set me up for this program to get me on the phone but they told me they have disappeared from the company. 2 people have disappeared. This says something about their business that it's not very good. I even asked why the price range differs for each consumer who buys this product. The guy brought up Walmart as an example and said that each walmart varies with price. I immediately spat back at him "Sure!!, each walmart is different with price depending on the location, state and whatnot, but I don't think it would make a difference in a scale of thousands of dollars! Why is there such difference between every one of your clients?" The guy then kept telling me about BS excersise reason they said on ripoff.com. Hello? can I get my answer from that? He constantly tried changing subject as if he's not trying to answer the question. I couldn't take talking to the rude guy and I hung up the phone.
I checked my mail the other day and I found I recieved letter from Universal Account Service LLC charging me for the monthly fee since I had finance set up with summit group of Utah. I've disabled my card so that's why they can't get money from me and is sending me those annoying letter. I am not going to pay them a single penny, and I'm going to continue fighting against those scammers.
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struggler
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# Posted: 21 Sep 2009 22:54
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Hey everyone, check this link from consumer protection of Utah. This describes my situation the best out of all the places I read.
http://consumerprotection.utah.gov/consumerinfo/businessopps.html
According to the list of registered business who offers business opportunity to people, thrive learning or anything related with such to offer business to people is not included on this list.
http://consumerprotection.utah.gov/lists/business_opps-registered.pdf
Another fact to add that thrive is doing illegal business as well as illegal telemarketing. As you all well know already, they have been charged for selling unregistered company's product to consumers. Also, they are banned from Illinois to offer business opportunities. Hope this info helps out when taking it to agencies.
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struggler
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2009 23:30 · Edited by: struggler
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Ok, sorry guys, the last post was my mistake. This is more like work from home scheme.
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/invest/inv14.shtm
http://consumerprotection.utah.gov/consumerinfo/workathome.html
I called Consumer Protection of Utah today and even the call director was familiar with thrive learning. Now that's saying something. The best way to get help is to go to Consumer Protection so far from what I see. Also, I haven't seen many posts by many people recently in this thread. Probably because most of the information is already covered.
Whoever that got ripped off by these people recently, please go check page 7,8, and 9. Also, don't forget to file dispute through your bank and send much information as possible to the dispute section of the bank. Fax as much information as possible. Refer to page 8 from the post on March 15 by Imanidiottoo on what to do. His method actually worked for me and I got back the down payment I made with those scammers. Those who are ripped off by thrive and are down in the dumps, you're not alone. We're here to help each other and share information. Be persistent and let's keep fighting!
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MyChagrin
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2009 00:18
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I just got my reply from Capital One and they said that they don't get involved in disputes. What can I do next? I put my charges on two different cards and I haven't heard back from Chase yet. I included all the copies of the the BBB, Utah attorney general complaint, and FTC. And many supporting documents. Do I have to file a specific fraud form? Since my charges are way past the 60 days I am disputing the charges based on the fact that my contract was not legal, and therefore fraudulent. I list all the reasons and legal citations. But since they are based in Salt Lake City I really am not surprised. I guess I will have to get a legal document. Any help please?
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Saundrak
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2009 17:35 · Edited by: Saundrak
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Capitol One will not help because why? They are in UTAH
I filed chargeback on the credit card. They first told me
I had to wait till after my 6 months and then when my 6 months was up they told me that they couldn't help me because the deadline for chargeback is 6 months. I was so mad about it I told them that I had 3 credit cards with them and I would cancel everyone of them. My husband had one personal and one business and I had one. I did give them a ear full about all the chargeback and how they were a scam just like the rest of the business in UTAH. All my credit cards with them are closed.
BBB In utah is a joke also they will not help, but still file with them and don't let them close the case.
Ripoff is a joke also because they will not post your complaints
I did get 60% of my money back, but it was not a easy road for me.
I was not paid off to keep my mouth shut like others was but I didn't get a full refund. I will tell everyone my story and maybe that will keep others from getting scammed like I was.
I become completely overwhelming, frustrating, and just generally causing a lot of stress to me and my family.
I filed complaints with Attorney General In KY And Utah
The Attorney General office in UTAH called me and talked to me and listened to everything I had to said about my scam.
Don't give up for a refund because you will get one if you keep the complaints filed with the ones they will help. I would still file complaints ever where you can and make a blog, that will help, blogs are free.
These companies don't like people putting their stories on blogs.
You can visit my blog under my profile to find more places to file complaint. and more about my story. Hope this helps, DON"T give up because that is what these companies want so they can keep you money.
Keep fighting
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tcars23
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# Posted: 1 Oct 2009 22:17
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Hi everyone,
I am so glad I found this forum. I too have been taken by Thrive and didn't think I had a chance to get any money back. I am out about $4000 with them and then also money with the Tax Club, who now I see are associated with these same people. I am going to take all the advice I see here and try to get my money back. Thank you so much for all the helpful information. I will definitely be back here often to check and things and keep updated.
So for anyone reading this, stay far, far away from Thrive Learning and be very wary of entering into anything online. BTW, I got a call for Thrive after signing up for another money making thing online, I believe it was Six Figure Income. Unfortunately, I am too naive and really think there are people out there who can help you make money.
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wilsco
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# Posted: 4 Oct 2009 08:44
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Yes, been working with thriveli for over a year now. I paid a lot of money through a process at home site. Thrive gave me and still does give me access to videos, walking you through just about every aspect of online business. I did not go to thriveli directly though. I had to pay 3890.00 to get a complete business starter kit, then I received access to thriveli, but I get charged 49.95 monthly, recurring charge. I did get my corporation set up through this though. I have not made any money though, maybe not their fault, but I have spent thousands of dollars and still havent received a red cent!! I have a full time job as a nurse and have 4 children. I have not gotten through all the info. I have learned a lot! I am still learning. They have videos for everything. It is not thriveli's fault but the original sales pitch I got was asking how I would like to make a monthly income of 7k with an investment of 9295.00, with return of investment in 30-90 days. Did not happen, as you can see! But, again thrive has a lot of great info, and has helped me.
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knotalone
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# Posted: 4 Oct 2009 22:05
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Help please.....
We signed up with Thrive last year I know now big expensive mistake. We have had all the negative experiences everyone else has, terrible-no coaching, website up no sales, all the same issues ad nauseum. Do you think it would still be possible for us to get a refund? They definitely did not deliver what they promised for us.... Thrives best recruiting sales pitch example was selling Televisions on E-Bay and how much you can profit right? Until you sign up and they strongly suggest that you don't sell electronics...
1 other question why is there no recent posts on Ripoffreports.com? Any positive suggestions welcomed and you can E-mail me
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Nothappy
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# Posted: 5 Oct 2009 08:47 · Edited by: Nothappy
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Knotalone,
There is alot of info on this forum just go to pg 7-8 for steps to get a refund. In addition, there are alot of good blogs out there with even more information. Go to my profile and message me privetly and I will help you if you like.
Good luck
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Nothappy
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# Posted: 5 Oct 2009 09:16
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wilsco... and everyone else,
If you want to see the extent of the mess Thrive created ...just Google "Thrive Learning Scam" and see for yourself.
Thrive bombards you with information in an effort to keep you onboard with them till the 90 days are up then you are on your own. If you search around you can find the info offered by Thrive at very low cost or even for free and that includes thier videos. If you have not figured out you were scammed they keep trying to sell you packages(Imax,Taxclub,etc.) to make even more of your money(who knows how much they make off those so called affiliate companies that call you after you have started their program).
It is only a matter of time before you realize that they don't care about your success and they just want that new clients money. Meanwhile you are left out in the cold. Message me to help!
Good luck and happy hunting to all
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Penny
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# Posted: 5 Oct 2009 15:09
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Stay away from Thrive.
I dealt with them last year. Their coaching is NOT very good. The only teach you how to set up a website using THEIR website making software and then they expect you to pay ridiculous month fees to host and maintain that website through them. So in reality you have NOT really learned how to make a website---but you have learned how to make one of THEIR websites!
The course they sold me did not teach me how to advertise or draw traffic to the site. In fact another associated company to THRIVE (that did NOT even disclose that they were associated to Thrive) tried to sell me another expensive package to teach me how to drive traffic.
I have found numerous cheap sources of information and even FREE sources of information that taught me much more than I ever learned from Thrive.
Save your money--Thrive- Sterling Thrive- Or whatever name they now use is a waste if your time and money
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scammed by utah
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# Posted: 9 Oct 2009 00:39
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Hello all,
I wish that I found this site about a month ago. I fell for the scam presented by Mason Parker from Internet Income Solutions also known as Internet Logistics LLC. It cost my wife and I over $14,000. They said that I would be selling enough to cover my "overhead" by the time the first bill rolled in. By six to twelve months my income would increase to the range of $2 to $6 thousand dollars per month, and reaching $12,000 a month in three years. All I had to do was listen to, and do, everything my "coach" Preston from Thriveli told me to do and it will work. Sure it will Mason, if it works so well why are you selling this trash??? You told me that you have had five businesses, with your math I could have retired on that kind of money a long time ago.
Everyone needs to remember one thing, every time a government action is taken against one of these scams, they learn another angle that they need to cover when they reopen under a new name.
Internet Income Solutions, Internet Logistics LLC, Thriveli, Mason Parker, a coach named Preston, don't let them get your money pass it forward try to save someone else.
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lesson learned
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# Posted: 12 Oct 2009 17:09
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well I just stupidly signed up and immediately realized my mistake. I initiated a dispute with my amex (charge not shown yet but temp autho). I requested a cancellation and have scheduled a appointment with the review board to hopefully finalize it and recieve a full refund. I am going to basically state, I have 3 days to cancel and will take nothing less then 100% refund. Has anyone gone through this process? I should fully recieve my refund hopefully right?
any advise appreciated
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Nothappy
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2009 13:52 · Edited by: Nothappy
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Ripoffreport dot com is a joke...They don't care about you...only the money they get from Thrive. They cut off my membership for the fact that Thrive could not satisfy me(refund my money in full) their customer...They did not give any reason even after asking several times...I can't post comments or repost my complaints that they erased from thier site...I guess they have much to hide having ties to this rip off company. See my blog post about my experience with them...they are scum. However you can use them, like the sellouts they are, to get a response call about your refund...thats what I did when those Thrive jerks would not return my calls...The whirlwind is coming for them as well.
KARMA RULES
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bebop2653
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# Posted: 20 Oct 2009 07:48
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I had an experience with Thrive. In December 2008, I signed up with them because they promised I would make a lot of money in a short amount of time. My down payment was $1500 charged to my credit card. Then they signed me up for a contract that was an additonal $4500 to be paid out in payments of $150.00 month. For three months solid I worked on my website. Then I called and said My website is ready, why am I not getting any sales. They said because we are not allowing it because we do not like your website. What else do you want? We want a spreadsheet. Ok I did the spread sheet. Still nothing. Same question, same answer. I did another spread sheet. They kept losing it. Months went by and by June 2009, I still had not made any money. I was under the impression when I started that I had 8 weeks to make up my mind. Well, I called in January and they told me it was too late for me to cancel. So when I called in June 2009, I asked if they would tear up the contract, they said yes. They also said they would not give me my down payment back. So I am finally done with them. I am filing a claim with the BBB for my down payment back.
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Str840
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2009 10:18 · Edited by: Str840
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Well, it seems that all predictions seem to be off with Thrive. Yea, they're still within their first five years that it takes to really make a business operate (but still will probably end up failing). Utah's Department of Consumer Protection don't seem to care about the way, we the people, were hung out to dry by Thrive and their lying sales floors. Glen Minson, so called investigator for DCP knows who they are and what they do, but apparently having to contact and deal with Thrive's PR person over and over again for so long, seems to have struck up quite a friendly relationship. Anyone who's had to deal with this Glen character knows what's being said here. Thanks Glen, for bending over, stringing along and throwing these innocent people under the bus while you were supposed be getting paid to protect them. The most recent news is that they've gotten out from under that Utah Business Opportunities Act by simply changing their contract and cutting a deal with the state (called "settling out of court"...Oh yea, that's right, the Utah Attorney General already took his donations, didn't he?)
Which means, outside of some embarrassment, Thrive gets to skate...and get back to the business of scamming people as usual. Of course, they can pay the best designers they can find to hawk their wares and a marketing division which does nothing but game the search engines...and top it all off with a complete lack of customer service(weak videos and worse coaching). They don't understand how real commerce works, only how to scam - so their promotion, marketing and delivery sucks because their customer service sucks (what a vicious circle).
What really sucks is that they seem to get away with it. Of course, this really means that when you get right down to it, it's only you and me and other people we know that can shut these crooks down - either they get out of the business (unlikely) or they have the sales floor and learning under the same roof where they have to take more responsibility for what they deliver. Customer service is number one in keeping a business alive...and they don't have any of it.
In case you didn't notice most all the people who had personal blogs have mostly disappeared from the scene. After some research it turns out they were made to sign a little note which probably doesn't have any real legal weight behind it - but no one has the money to take it to a real lawyer to check it out.
What are people doing to get back at Thrive(who don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to this) ? Simple, They just dig up the poop Thrive left lying around in public areas(forums and blogs) and then copy and post it to their blog. A lot of this information is actually in the forums. More can be found by simply looking up Google's cached copies (or checking with other people in the various forums to see if they downloaded those pages.)
Dave Rasumussen has tried to go nearly invisible by hiding his wife's blog. Eric Largin has similarly locked down his LinkedIn pages so that no one can actually network with him (so why does he have a LinkedIn page then?) Colton Moody still has his picture up on facebook with his wife. Zach Bradshaw has been either too busy or too embarrassed to put his real face or info up anywhere - and he'll never want to do this, unless he moves out of Utah or even the country (way to go, Zach - you just blew any chance to enjoy the Internet like the rest of us...)
But a lot of stuff has been exposed on these guys and there is still a lot more out there.
The reason these blogs disappeared is that they tied the personal lives of those scammers. Their actual family, friends, community (as well as the local Chamber of Commerce) don't know what they do. Just like sneaky politicians, they can't stand the spotlight. So, they easily buy off those complaining customers by refunding them - and think nothing about infringing on their First Amendment Rights and getting them to sign them away. Again, it was hard not to notice all the blogs and comments removed from forums and the rest of the internet in the last five months.
Now with this being an election year, we can actually have some fun with the candidates by asking them the real questions about what their stand on the Utah scams are. Then post any response to the forums, where others can see, comment, and do their own emails and calls to these offices. Then ask their own questions like, "how they are going to act (or not) on the illegal activities that Utah is becoming known for. Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff is running against Bob Bennett in the primary. Be sure to give Bennett all the info you have about Shurtleff's campaign contributions...
These forums have been the most effective work in forcing Thrive to reform. These posts don't go away (except where they made taking down forum posts as part of their paper agreement/payoff deal) as long as they are factual. As long as they are true they won't be taken down by the moderators or administrators.
These forums are an open invitation to recover and post the data from those now-missing blogs. And so, people would then be able to simply have all the real, publicly-available information to quote and post on their own blogs.
The simplicity of setting up a blog is nearly as easy as creating a forum post. So it's a no-brainer that if we could simply get in touch with all these people who have given up on their refund and then had them scrape, copy, and post the information found (making sure to link back to where they got it, of course) - these people could get their refunds a lot faster.
Of course, nobody is saying we should organize or anything like that – (we don't want to stoop to racketeering like Colton Moody, Eric Largin, and Matt and Dave Rasmussen). This post is only bringing up ideas that should be made known to anyone who is posting in these forums.
If you want your money back fast, you start a blog and spill the beans. That's just a fact.
Now, what we on this forum and those few who still have blogs out there are really doing is trying to educate the public on how to use the Internet.
(Same thing the scammers are doing, but they cost a lot more for that education...)
So the suggestion here to anyone interested in stopping Thrive and getting their refund, is:
• Copy this post and repost on the forums from time to time(especially if it was removed)
• Contact everyone they can on the forums to see if they are interested in setting up blogs.
• Find people who have the publicly-accessible information on these individuals (which had been posted on blogs and forums before and now have disappeared)
• Get that info recovered and posted to the forums (all of them, if possible) so that this data will always be publicly-known and readily available.
That would mean that everyone has to get several other people blogging before they put up their own blog. Thrive didn't just get those informative blogs removed, they also made that data disappear on the forums. Their strategy was to pick off the hardest working and most dedicated, pay them, and force them to take down all their hard work...all vital public information.
Saundrak is still around and so is Kona - both of whom are willing to work with anyone on getting started with their refund cycles. (And if you want to help these two, visit their blogs and post comments there - it starts ranking them above Thriveli.com.
Thrive Learning Institute is set to go under if they have to start paying off too many refunds (they only make 10% out of every sale), and would have to pay back the rest (which they can't get back from the sales floors). They've probably already spent the money they did get ...serves you right.
Their other option is to declare bankruptcy and start over. However, the same truthful yet negative information will still be in those forums when they surface again.
I'm asking everyone on this forum:
What do you think of that plan? Do you think it's possible? Do you think the people in this forum (and others) will get behind this and get everyone blogging to get their refunds?
Personally, hopes are high...but, I don't think that it will actually get rid of scammers totally. PMI Inc and some others like Pacific Webworks have been around for some ten years. Nobody has ever shut them down and their scamming ways still continue. They are only a little better than Thrive...but only because they have a better business plan (mostly because they generate their own leads and cut out the middleman).
But... what we can do is start picking up people who have been discouraged into quitting and getting these guys to simply put up a blog so they can get their money back.
So, what do you think?!?
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2009 11:31
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I have heard about this and it seems good. But im a bit skeptical though. I will check it out now
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knotalone
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2009 19:59
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Bebop,
Thank you for sharing your story.....
We thought we were the only Thrive Loser/Failures out there!
How these incompetent people string you along for so long is unreal. We had a similar LIST/spreadsheet experience. Oh not to mention the benchmarks that you HAVE TO DO that keep changing all the time... Waiting for approval, then all they give you in response is a prewritten canned response...Not once did the "EXPERTS" give us any good quality individual feed back both positive or you need a little work. They totally crushed my wifes spirit she poured all her spare time into our website to have the "EXPERTS" completely trash and discount her efforts. This is unbelievable to say the least. I'm with Nothappy. They did not do what they said they were going to do. We did and even more and it did not work. They have not honored their own contract! They gave us the same assurances about what we were going to be earning and how soon we could pay off our "investment" $ 8000 these were all lies and deception. They need to pay us all back that they have done this to.
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MyChagrin
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2009 21:43
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Bebop and knotalone,
I too experienced this frustration. I would change what they told me and then the next time I would get another "expert" to tell me everything I changed was wrong. All those videos I watched were a waste of time. Some of the things they were telling me should have been in those videos!! They always have an excuse why YOU are wrong and stupid. There was never any kind words of encouragement except one time when a "expert" that wasn't on my team looked at my site she said I was doing a good job. But then the next time I called a new "expert" told me to change the whole thing! All the meta tag stuff. I also had to do the spreadsheet exercises. I finally gave up. I could not figure out what the heck they wanted. I guess it is another of their stalling techniques. They think if they frustrate us we will give up and they won't have to answer any more calls--and that we will be too embarrassed to admit we got scammed. I guess they got the first part right.
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scammed by utah
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# Posted: 22 Oct 2009 19:30
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my wife and I just got off the phone with Joshua Jesnsen from Thrive "learning scam". Joshua is allegedly with the "review board", and the resolution manager, and judging from our conversation the only thing he does is try to continue the scam.
However, I learned at the beginning of the conversation, because Joshua slipped up and revealed, that Mason Parker is actually Arthur Morton. The lies are so deep that they can't even keep them straight. We were also advised that not everyone gets the same material, when you sign up. We also learned that they are all combined with the make money with Google ads. Joshua went so far as to say that Thrive has not had any legal actions taken against them (LIE!!!!!). When I brought up the fact that action was as recent as August of '09 he quickly said I don't know anything about that.
After telling Joshua (if that is his real name) several times that I wanted our money back he said that he could not do that, he was authorized to cover our months credit card payment.
This whole conversation was nothing more than a script, when we asked him something that was not listed he would get very confused and redirect with " I am only here to help you, trust me" followed by "legally we don't have to give you your money back". Joshua, you really sound like "Bill Lumberg umm, o.k.!!!!"
I don't expect to get my money back from these lying pond scum pieces of (insert your own word there), but I will be posting every single solitary place that I can to expose these con artist.
Arthur, Mason what ever your names is and Joshua hear me loud and clear, I am not taking the loss, I am not going to pay a red cent, you can take that to the bank!!!!! Maybe you can go to garage sales and list the products that you find, follow the advice of your coaching staff. And since you do not want to do the right thing and return my money, I will take every cent that I can out of your pocket by informing as many people as I can about your scam!!!!
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scammed by utah
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# Posted: 22 Oct 2009 19:51
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lesson learned
The "review board", ha. We have had 3, count them 3 appointments with the "review board". The first was to speak with a woman named "Joanna". The scheduled time was at 12:30 pm EST and by 1:05 pm EST we had not heard anything I called them. I was placed on hold for 5 minutes. Needing to get back to work, I did not hang on past that. The second time was scheduled for 5 pm est about one and a half weeks later. This time, at about 6:15 pm EST we received a phone call from Joshua Jensen reporting that "Brenden was in a crash coming back from lunch and was not going to be able to take our call with the "review board". He then rescheduled our call with the "review board" for 1 week later at 1:00 pm EST. The phone call never came. At about 5:00 pm EST out phone rang. Joshua jensen informed us that we did not schedule the call for 1 pm it was at 5 pm. As for what happened, refer to the above post. I do not think there is a "review board". Just yet another way to string you along hoping you will give up. Don't.
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knotalone
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# Posted: 25 Oct 2009 17:53 · Edited by: knotalone
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I was wondering if anyone by chance copied the article that was posted at http://www.scribd.com/doc/15672916/Internet-Scam-Capitol-USA[u][/u] it does not seem to be working  I am just tring to have all possible info available to take these leechs down
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Taken4aride
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2009 11:32 · Edited by: Taken4aride
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Dear scammed by Utah -
I was also scammed by Internet Income Solutions so I know what you are going through.
Do you have a contract? They tell me I have a verbal one but if that was really true - they would certainly send me my copy. But then who is to say it is real?
Keep working on them. I am learning the best thing to do is start a blog. Have you noticed how many of them disappear quickly?
Let me know if you are interested in starting one. I certainly am. or if you have one going - let us know so we can help you along.
Just remember you are not alone and we are all here to truly help you get your money back!!!
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Taken4aride
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2009 13:01
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Everyone - if you have not already signed the petition do so now!!
http://gopetition.com/online/27433.html
Keep this going!! Every thing we do counts. Thanks
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