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struggler
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# Posted: 9 Sep 2009 23:51
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Hi blu61, just being curious, which coaching program were you introduced by them? I was introduced focuslc.com by them. I'm sure those people who were lured into this in a similar period of timeframe as me is introduced this program. If it is focus coaching program that you were introduced to, then that shows the proof that they are selling the same coaching program for different price. And that's against the antitrust law for being non-competitive. Please let me know.
Also, to answer to your curiosity from your last post, thrive is totally responsible just because they are the one who initially contacted you and introduced these programs to you. Also, this shows that thrive was the one being a telemarketer to consumer and by looking at the registered telemarketing list in Division of Consumer Protection of Utah, they don't even exist. This means that they are illegal to telemarket any service.
http://consumerprotection.utah.gov/lists/telemarketers.pdf
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ouchthathurt
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# Posted: 10 Sep 2009 00:22
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Today on the Utah Better Business website if you search Thrive you find:
On July 2, 2009 the Utah Division of Consumer Protection ("Division") issued an Administrative Citation against Thrive Learning LLC, Infusion Media Inc, Concepts Executions LLC, Six Figure Consulting Corp, Vanuity LLC dba Platinum Training Solutions, The Summit Group of Utah LLC dba Momentum Marketing, Internet Auction Solutions Inc and Accelerated Business Solutions Inc ("Respondents"). The citation states that starting during or before July 2008 Thrive Learning LLC ("Thrive"), along with the other Respondents listed, has been offering a Business Opportunity to consumers. Consumers were solicited and sold materials, education and coaching services for the purposes of enabling the consumers to start their own internet business. The purchase price of the transaction for these consumers exceeded $300 in each case. Consumers were sold online materials and coaching services enabling a consumer to learn about how to sell products over the internet or on eBay. Consumers were provided with access to software that would enable a consumer to build their own customized website to market products and services. Consumers were also provided with ideas and resources on how and where to obtain products to sell, including access to lists of drop shipping companies. Thrive has formally or informally allowed many name and unnamed Respondent marketing companies to sell these products and services with Thrive being responsible for fulfilling the represented products and services to each consumer. Respondent marketing companies were responsible in most cases for all representations made to their respective consumers and were also responsible for collecting payment from each consumer. At all times relevant to these transactions, Respondents were not registered with the Division to offer Business Opportunity sales. These alleged actions are charged as eight (8) counts of violation with a potential maximum fine of $20,000 ($2,500 per count). Respondents also allegedly failed to provide the appropriate disclosure statements prior to transactions. These alleged actions are charged as sixteen (16) counts of violation with a potential maximum fine of $20,000 ($2,500 per count). The Division reserved the right to amend the citation to include unknown consumers who file complaints with their office in the future.
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ouchthathurt
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# Posted: 10 Sep 2009 00:27
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PS
The BBB website that I obtained the statment was
http://www.bbb.org/utah/business-reviews/training-program-companies/thrive-learning-i n-orem-ut-22219354
Scroll to the bottom
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MyChagrin
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# Posted: 10 Sep 2009 23:07
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struggler,
The anti-trust law you are referring to is the Robinson-Patman Act (15 U. S. C. 13) that prohibits price discrimination-- it mandates that two or more purchasers of a commodity from the same seller must be charged identical prices. Of course this is usually used on a much bigger scale for big companies but the result is the same. This law doesn't hold much weight and it is basically never prosecuted in big companies so a fly speck like Thrive isn't going to get much action. But then again it is another law they have broken. More proof of their purposeful fraudulent activity.
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Vampfairy76
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# Posted: 11 Sep 2009 13:11
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Don't do it! They are evil and full of crap. They will take you for a ride and leave you for dead with no remorse. It's there job to make it sound "to good to be true" and they get the money while you are left holding the phone. They do not care about you at all. Only what money they can get from you. "Don't sell your soul" Do the research and save yourself.
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ouchthathurt
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# Posted: 12 Sep 2009 10:49
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With the actions against them, the bad bbb ratings, poor blogs and postings all over the internet, the credit card chargebacks and the history of this organization... I would bet that they are going to morph into another name and/or organization real soon. How can't they?
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struggler
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# Posted: 19 Sep 2009 12:00
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I spoke with one of the manager at FOCUS the other day. He told me he would get my representative on the phone, Alex Saavedra, Zachary Bradshaw on the phone to call me back. But such call was not given to me as all of us already know why.
Also, I spoke with a guy who works at thrive learning, I asked for guy who initially called me and the representative who set me up for this program to get me on the phone but they told me they have disappeared from the company. 2 people have disappeared. This says something about their business that it's not very good. I even asked why the price range differs for each consumer who buys this product. The guy brought up Walmart as an example and said that each walmart varies with price. I immediately spat back at him "Sure!!, each walmart is different with price depending on the location, state and whatnot, but I don't think it would make a difference in a scale of thousands of dollars! Why is there such difference between every one of your clients?" The guy then kept telling me about BS excersise reason they said on ripoff.com. Hello? can I get my answer from that? He constantly tried changing subject as if he's not trying to answer the question. I couldn't take talking to the rude guy and I hung up the phone.
I checked my mail the other day and I found I recieved letter from Universal Account Service LLC charging me for the monthly fee since I had finance set up with summit group of Utah. I've disabled my card so that's why they can't get money from me and is sending me those annoying letter. I am not going to pay them a single penny, and I'm going to continue fighting against those scammers.
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struggler
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# Posted: 21 Sep 2009 22:54
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Hey everyone, check this link from consumer protection of Utah. This describes my situation the best out of all the places I read.
http://consumerprotection.utah.gov/consumerinfo/businessopps.html
According to the list of registered business who offers business opportunity to people, thrive learning or anything related with such to offer business to people is not included on this list.
http://consumerprotection.utah.gov/lists/business_opps-registered.pdf
Another fact to add that thrive is doing illegal business as well as illegal telemarketing. As you all well know already, they have been charged for selling unregistered company's product to consumers. Also, they are banned from Illinois to offer business opportunities. Hope this info helps out when taking it to agencies.
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