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fiberoptical
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# Posted: 28 Jan 2006 01:18 · Edited by: fiberoptical
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We are getting paid to surf other surf websites, NetIBA, Stormpay and other misc. sites that are all in to common among total wave of sites. It seems a little suspicious would you say. Does anybody have any comments they would like to share in regards to this?

Bellegalla
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2006 11:14
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I am not sure where you see the conspiracy but of course everyone is out to make money. But by being NetIba certified you save on STormpay fees. It costs 20$ to be certified and if you are serious about surfing you'll make that 20$ back very fast. I don't see a problem with that conspiracy.

Vishal P. Rao
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# Posted: 6 Feb 2006 05:25 · Edited by: Vishal P. Rao
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I'm quoting this email sent by Stormpay to it's members, found on the closed 4daily.com site. I think it has a good lesson to everyone.


Dear StormPay Member,

Please read this news update as it contains important information concerning your StormPay account as well as spends from your account to the "Auto-Surf" industry.

Traditionally "auto-surf" is a "traffic exchange" industry as to where persons gain traffic credits for promoting their URL (website address) in exchange for viewing websites offered by others. Any monies taken in on these types of "traffic exchanges" are normally for upgrades to have your URL (website) shown at a higher rate of exposure. For an example of how a true auto-surf works, you can visit www.autohits.dk or other sites comparable.

"Paid to click", or "Paid to Read" types of sites are normally where an advertiser pays to have his/her ad displayed and the end user gets paid a portion of the advertiser dollars for clicking on and reading/viewing the ad. The end user who is being paid for reading/viewing the advertisement does not spend any monies to participate. An example of this type of service is StormPay's own "StormClix" where participants are not charged to view advertisements and are rewarded an account credit for viewing the advertisement.

It has recently been brought to the attention of StormPay Inc. that the current rash of new Auto-Surf and Paid to Read accounts are NOT operating in the traditional manner. Further investigation by both StormPay and other outside investigational organizations/law enforcement agencies have have drawn early conclusions that these types of programs are nothing more than well hidden "Ponzi" or "Pyramid" schemes. While many of you may not agree, or wish to agree that these programs or illegally operated ponzi's, there are many facts that that are unavailable to you, or that may have been hidden by the operators of these programs. Please note that StormPay's user agreement has always banned merchant accounts for these types of activities.

Throughout the investigations into these programs, StormPay has asked the "Merchant(s)" to provide a detailed explanation of the workings of these programs including how profit margins and customer payments are made. These questions were asked point blank by StormPay while on a conference call with the owner/operator and their attorney. The requests for information from the "merchant" were simply denied leaving StormPay no choice other than to report those findings to the other organizations who required the information from StormPay. These findings and reports caused the seizure of funds of the merchant(s) StormPay accounts until all legal matters are resolved. Please be reminded that this could have been avoided if the merchant(s) could have, or would have provided information proving no illegal pyramid or ponzi activity.

Furthermore, investigations and calculations show that these merchants were already at an "upside down" point where they are/were not able to meet the financial obligations made to their program participants. These merchants who were already failing to make good on their claims seem to now be using StormPay as their "Scape Goat" for the failure of their own pyramid or ponzi scheme. These programs are always doomed to failure and for that very reason, deemed illegal. Please site the following from StormPay's user agreement:

"17. Get Rich Quick" Schemes: Get Rich Quick Schemes are prohibited resell items by StormPay. Get Rich Quick schemes include any type of self-employment, start-up businesses, or investment opportunity where the claims of profit or returns on investment are unrealistic or unsupported. By law, if a business opportunity costs $500.00 USD or more, the promoter is required to support any claims regarding earnings or profits with written documentation.

Pyramids don't pay. StormPay Inc. and the Federal Trade Commission caution consumers about clubs or programs that promise quick money for recruiting new members. Don't bank on the pyramid promise that someone else will pay you. For more information on get-rich-quick schemes, visit the FTC at www.ftc.gov."

We know that the most prominent question in your mind is "What happens to the money I sent these programs?" Answer: At the moment any funds frozens in these merchant's accounts are frozen and not payable until all investigations are completed. At such time investigations are completed, any remaining funds will be released to the merchant's, or refunded to the purchasers, based on the outcome of the investigations. Please be aware if determination is made that these are ponzi schemes, a great deal of the funds received by these merchant's will have been used to pay obligations to those who joined earlier into the programs. In other words, they will have used your money to pay other members thus creating a deficit of funds needed to refund all users. Please be patient while investigators decide the best procedures for handling this serious situation. Contacting your credit issuers or banks requesting chargebacks only compounds the problems for all involved, including the merchants and their customers, and delays returns of any funds. These actions could also be punishable by law.


StormPay will keep you updated of developments as information is available and allowed to be released.

StormPay Inc.


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mcbsconsulting
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# Posted: 6 Feb 2006 10:02
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Hey Vishal,

Good find. As has been said many times in this Forum, Read the TOS BEFORE sending any Money.

Angry people will always blame someone else and not themselves.

Joe

piggybanker
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# Posted: 7 Feb 2006 00:21 · Edited by: piggybanker
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Quoting: mcbsconsulting
Hey Vishal,

Good find.


That is the same letter I spoke about in another post. The fertilizer letter.

It has recently been brought to the attention of StormPay Inc. that the current rash of new Auto-Surf and Paid to Read accounts are NOT operating in the traditional manner.


How recently? Lemme guess......many many months ago and ya'll knew it didn't you? BTW ... why are you (stormpay) promoting Autohits.dk?

StormPay's user agreement has always banned merchant accounts for these types of activities.


Really? When did that begin? Oh lemme guess. Feb. 1, 2006? During that investigation by that outside investigational organization ... er um ... what was the name of that organization? NetIBA maybe ... and that's owned by who? And he's affiliated with who? StormPay? Gee, maybe someone should check the BBB ... oh they did ... Hmmm...no complaints for 12dailypro, but whoa ...

This thread has been covered on multiple sites in mulitple forums as well as this forum. Obviously I was picking this letter apart to show what is happening elsewhere. The same thing can be done with the auto surf industry and it is being done. I could supply this forum with tons of links to different emails and anything damaging anyone would ever want to hear about StormPay or Auto Surfing. Much of it may be true about both.

I agree that some people have gone way overboard with their threats and what not, but the posting on this topic is not helping anyone nor are the comments about how people should do this or read that. Many of you are only seeing a tiny fraction of what's out there. My guess would be that much of that news is slanted news. Much of the news I receive is from the surf site owners and they are ALL saying the same thing. So, either StormPay is lying or over 30 surf site owners managed to come up with the same story.

The 12dailypro forum is currently open to the public ... you can't register ... but you can read the latest from the members there. Warning! Not for childrem! Violent threats are being made against surf site owners and Steve Girsky and John Connelly (StormPay and NetIBA) even though the owner and the moderators have pleaded with people not to post threats or negative comments about StormPay.

My advice to all of us is to be patient, watch for the results, and try to be supportive of those around us.

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