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netjobs Preferred Member Joined: 8 Jan 2006 Posts: 234	# Posted: 2 Feb 2006 21:04 Reply EMO is back in 12dailypro and Stormpay is not there to upgrade... its pretty bad situation to upgrade... __________________ Tech Blog Success is not the end... its the path..
fiberoptical Member Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Posts: 36	# Posted: 2 Feb 2006 23:10 Reply Yea, this is no good; I just checked my e-mail. There is some turbulence between 12DP and StormPay. StormPay wants to be the sole payment processor for 12DP eliminating EMO from the scene. Last that I know 12DP agree to remove EMO but for some reason StormPay upgrades seem to have been disabled by Stormpay sometime this evening.
piggybanker Preferred Member Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 136	# Posted: 3 Feb 2006 11:52 Reply Due to the situation between auto surf sites and StormPay it's probably better to avoid upgrading and signing up for new programs until we know the outcome. Charis has updated notices being emailed right now explaining how some BYU students have created a mess. It is also posted in the 12dailypro members home page under latest updates. All the forums are buzzing about this and whether the latest E- Gold thing my have spurred this on and how EMO will be next. No official notice from StormPay since Feb 1 which 12dailypro complied with. So much for my fattest friday payday .... whah! Pending........ __________________ You Tube Traffic - TokSee - Aweber - List Hero
fiberoptical Member Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Posts: 36	# Posted: 3 Feb 2006 15:43 Reply Quoting: Charis@12DP It seems that there are multiple sites and groups of our members doing similar things. This has created a very difficult situation for us. None of these things were approved or sanctioned by our program We are unsure what this will mean for the future of the program, but we want you to know we will do our best to communicate what is happening to you. We will also be formulating a refund strategy should that become necessary. It takes a bunch of hoggish unprofessional people to cause a problem such as this one. Maybe the 12% affiliation referral should have never been added and maybe we would of still have 12DP. They have "business cards"; this is not the first time I learned of people advertising 12DP as a MLM <\|. This just goes to show you that people don't read Terms & Conditions and are just ignorant.
fiberoptical Member Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Posts: 36	# Posted: 3 Feb 2006 16:12 Reply Quoting: StormPay It has recently been brought to the attention of StormPay Inc. that the current rash of new Auto-Surf and Paid to Read accounts are NOT operating in the traditional manner. Further investigation by both StormPay and other outside investigational organizations/law enforcement agencies have have drawn early conclusions that these types of programs are nothing more than well hidden "Ponzi" or "Pyramid" schemes. While many of you may not agree, or wish to agree that these programs or illegally operated ponzi's, there are many facts that that are unavailable to you, or that may have been hidden by the operators of these programs. Please note that StormPay's user agreement has always banned merchant accounts for these types of activities. I just received this e-mail from StormPay. What the hell is going on? It’s like two kids fighting over a cookie. StormPay did not have to highlight StormClix in reference of comparison.
piggybanker Preferred Member Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 136	# Posted: 3 Feb 2006 16:42 · Edited by: piggybanker Reply Received all of the above emails as well then started getting these from auto surf site owners. Eprofit and Auto surf.biz are: Good Friday Everyone, As some of you may know, StormPay has released a statement regarding the frozen accounts. Unfortunately, that statement contains very little truth. We were NEVER contacted by StormPay and asked to provide a detailed explanation of the workings of either of our programs. From their email, we have determined that apparently they consider 12 Daily Pro to be a vendor spokesperson for all of the sites that were suspended. In any case, we now understand StormPay's intentions and can determine the best manner in which to proceed. We will be making these decisions over the course of the weekend and will announce how we will be going forward on Monday. I hope that everyone tries to relax, take a break from the insanity of the week and enjoy the weekend. Talk to you Monday Colette and Dan My origianl guess was that the E Gold incident may have spurred this on and my guess is EMO is next in line. Lot's of info in the forum at 12dailypro and I just noticed that StormPay removed it's discussion board....hmmm...what are they hiding or afraid of???? __________________ You Tube Traffic - TokSee - Aweber - List Hero
fiberoptical Member Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Posts: 36	# Posted: 3 Feb 2006 18:57 Reply Hey piggybanker! I went to your website and the found your stormpaypro web banner that lead me to this message The ALPHA website has been Closed until further notice Due to a compliance issue. We will keep you updated of Refund options that will be available soon. We apologize for any inconvenience. I thought it was a minor problem but StormPay is trying to takedown the chain of sites that follows 12DP as well. It seems that dadndaves.net realized this problem ahead of time. They stated dadndaves is NOT a "commission based business model" as described in the latest Stormpay Policy Update. We do not accept new members, and we do not pay commission for referring new members.
piggybanker Preferred Member Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 136	# Posted: 3 Feb 2006 20:15 Reply Quoting: fiberoptical I thought it was a minor problem but StormPay is trying to takedown the chain of sites that follows 12DP as well I just got an interesting email from StudioWalker (part of Studio Traffic) that speaks about a 4 month investigation that they were involved that included fraud. Apparently they claim that they had to keep a lid on what was going on to stop the fraud created by many members. All of this caused many members to start bad mouthing ST. They claim that they knew keeping quiet would harm their business but they say it was the only way the could protect their large member base. They are restructuring their business now so that there will be two types of membership available. I thought it was very interesting timing from them. I'm not sure what all could be interpreted from it. I'm not sure if it's really StormPay trying to take anyone down so much as it might be a case of finger pointing time. Like a kid who got caught by mommy and he says,"it wasn't me mom it was that red headed step brother of mine." and then when she goes to question the other kid... poof... evidence got swallowed or somehow dissappeared (where did that discussion board at StormPay go --- you know the one with all the scam artists offering refunds on NetIBA, but not calling it a refund). Thanks for the heads up on the Banner. I'll go see. I was almost in profit from the pre-launch. __________________ You Tube Traffic - TokSee - Aweber - List Hero
fiberoptical Member Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Posts: 36	# Posted: 4 Feb 2006 17:31 · Edited by: fiberoptical Reply This is really bizarre and really disturbing news for those all who have bought upgrades (invested) at 12DP. I may confirm that 12DP is going top bottom base on the amount of publication. 12DP shutdown Video http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=36152 The BYU students marketing methods Video http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=36003 Story http://nn.byu.edu/story.cfm/58189 ---- Charis Johnson looks really unprofessional and even .... I really can't say but far from the New Yorker type! 12DP HQ image http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=1220+SE+Maynard+Road,+Suite+20 3,+Cary,+NC,+27511&ll=35.786244,-78.764036&spn=0.001573,0.003355&t=h I might be blind but are those trailer homes on the right? If I am under I've lost a total of $120.23 of time and investment.
mcbsconsulting Preferred Member Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 139	# Posted: 4 Feb 2006 22:15 Reply Am I ever glad I listened to myself when I wrote about these type of programs. To think I actually believed 12dp was really an upfront kind of company and I put it on my Legit list on my Blog AND Website. I never invested, but told others that I thought they would be OK if they did. Now I'm sorry that I ever put them on my list, now people could lose faith in me. They will be off both sites by the time I go to bed tonight. Sorry, but you don't get something for nothing. (or little) investment. It seems to me that some of you are blaming Stormpay when you should look at 12dp and all the other get rich quick schemes. Joe
fiberoptical Member Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Posts: 36	# Posted: 4 Feb 2006 22:56 · Edited by: fiberoptical Reply I am skeptical with 12DP myself; I am interested in their pay structure. I don't believe the ROI is made primarily from advertising websites; ask any member who has auto-surfed before if they never left their computer screen while surfing, I do it all the time in fact I sometimes go to sleep. This is why prior to this posted I created a thread called “conspiracy surf”. I am thinking that they are investing the funds somewhere else, where? That is the question! I can't really come to conclusion just yet but the facts are there. Most important 12DP has failed to bring the payment structure to light! This may be easily settled if they shed some light on the structure, obviously something is wrong. The situation evolves fabrication from one of the parties but I must leave it for a legislative decision.
netjobs Preferred Member Joined: 8 Jan 2006 Posts: 234	# Posted: 5 Feb 2006 00:18 Reply Actually, the main problem is with Stormpay, you can clearly see the statements in the 12dailypro members area and they are updating news daily, so that we can watch what's going on... and 12dailypro clarifies the problem with stormpay clearly and they're going to take legal action against stormpay for the refunds... We have earned, whatever we invested in 12dailypro and so for they are very much legitimate for atleast respond to their members... and this is the time to support them to get back again to the business... __________________ Tech Blog Success is not the end... its the path..
fiberoptical Member Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Posts: 36	# Posted: 5 Feb 2006 04:26 Reply Quoting: netjobs Actually, the main problem is with Stormpay, you can clearly see the statements in the 12dailypro members area and they are updating news daily, so that we can watch what's going on... and 12dailypro clarifies the problem with stormpay clearly and they're going to take legal action against stormpay for the refunds... You need to be concerned with your best interest. I would consider Charis Johnson the Admin of 12DP not so much of a reputable person; this does not exclude StormPay from this equation. You need to know that both companies is looking out for their best interest as well. You cannot trust anyone! Any objections, answer this if you will 1. What is the 12DP payout structure? 2. Why is an upgrade considered as an purchase versus an investment? 3. Why does 12DP have an FAQ in regards to going out of business? Preemptive business exit strategy! I am like you all still puzzled about the whole thing but you must look at the small guy because we all are him. Your interest first!
piggybanker Preferred Member Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 136	# Posted: 5 Feb 2006 10:06 · Edited by: piggybanker Reply Quoting: netjobs Actually, the main problem is with Stormpay We will probably know most of the real story as it unfolds in front of us during the next few weeks or months. It does appear as though StormPay has lied to all of us about numerous things and they may in fact be the problem. Their discussion board which was full of scams that they couldn't keep up with is and has been unavailable for some time. Did they point the finger at 12dailypro and the other AS sites while they discarded of the evidence that would incriminate them? Why was their building being emptied out and boarded up? Where are the moving too? The Caymen Islands perhaps? Panama? What investigation? Why no more contact with the small guy.....you and I? Why are they holding all my pending payouts from many many sites? Are they or have the all ready stolen from us? Why are they in bad standing with the BBB and not 12dailypro...... the questions are endless. I could also ask some questions about auto surfing and their structure, where does that money come from, etc... But, the main thing is we know, or we should know, that all of your money is at risk when you choose to participate in these programs. Bottom line is that our money should not be held hostage by a payment processor. A government agency maybe, but not by StormPay. StormPay has profited tremendously from the auto surf industry and it appears as thought the last step they took secured them an entire extra months worth of pending payouts from these businesses. They told them to remove their other payment processors, which they complied with and then they stabbed us all in the back by freezing accounts. Even DadnDaves account was frozen. I love the letter StormPay sent me. I plan on shredding it over my lawn this spring. Nice fertilizer. I still find it very interesting that while StormPay was pointing their fingers at 12dailypro and the auto surf businesses that Studio Traffic made their announcement. It makes me wonder who is holding who hostage. Many sites have other payment processors lined up and their businesses are liquid. StormPayPro Alpha has a new notice on their site. They are restructuring and moving. My guess is they'll change their name. AlertPayPro Alpha? EMOPayPro Alpha? or StuckInTheStormPayPro Omega? Surf Safe - whatever! __________________ You Tube Traffic - TokSee - Aweber - List Hero
fiberoptical Member Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Posts: 36	# Posted: 5 Feb 2006 11:39 · Edited by: fiberoptical Reply The discussion is endless but I like your POV it has a valid reasoning piggybanker. Hopefully, tomorrow we should be updated with some promising news for 12DP/StormPay members. Here is a link in regards to small claims against StormPay http://www.mystormpaylawsuit.com./
netjobs Preferred Member Joined: 8 Jan 2006 Posts: 234	# Posted: 5 Feb 2006 13:19 Reply Quoting: fiberoptical Any objections, answer this if you will 1. What is the 12DP payout structure? 2. Why is an upgrade considered as an purchase versus an investment? 3. Why does 12DP have an FAQ in regards to going out of business? Preemptive business exit strategy! To all these questions, I like to say onething, I never ever seen like a site 12dailypro for the past 4-5 years... facing lots of scams and loosing money without getting back a single penny... and they paid me 10 times and so on... Quoting: fiberoptical You cannot trust anyone! We never trust anyone even in real life facing face to face, and here we dont know each other faces in this business and how can expect a trust from somebody... all here to gather to gain some money and can you show an example any work at home programs stays for long years and continuing upto date... never, all things has to come to end oneday... have you invested any money before and looses and not even any response... you can see in this forum also.. lots of scam... not even getting a single response... I am just pretty about the site facing problems while i have earned some money from them... and I found you as well in this forum, posts lots about 12dailypro and when they faces problem, louds they are scams.... Still I can say they are the best, atleast responding to their members... __________________ Tech Blog Success is not the end... its the path..
bacpro Member Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 19	# Posted: 7 Feb 2006 12:08 Reply With over 200k members you would think that 12DP would have the money to just start up with another payment processor. I've seen other site switch, and moving on. Forget Stormpay. I lost 300 in 12daily but I also made alot during the good times. So I made mine money back. However it sad to see it go but there are others that take Paypal and are doing the same pay program. So jump in and be a little careful. Invest your profits only. John
clicks4trade Member Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 4	# Posted: 16 Feb 2006 20:20 · Edited by: clicks4trade Reply Hey guys, Charis Johnson makes a lot of claims. but i saw this today and thought hey what a nice house also why does she not want to clear her name on Television? If it was me, I would be on national TV defending my corner This is a new video has charis shouting at the news reporter Video
piggybanker Preferred Member Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 136	# Posted: 16 Feb 2006 20:48 Reply Quoting: clicks4trade This is a new video has charis shouting at the news reporter I don't want to mess with the active x plugin for mozilla firefox 1.5 so I haven't seen any of the videos and it's probably a good thing. I know I'm the type of person who does judge others by appearances and actions. It's a sad thing to admit about myself but it's true. I also am aware that we all behave differently under certain stressful situations. I'm not defending Charis or the Stormpay people. I'm just saying that my opinions would probably be altered if I were to see some of the videos people have wanted to show me. I quit watching TV years ago because of the slanted views of some. I'm sure someone could or allready has aired some bad video on the StormPay folks. What purpose is all of this serving? I'm bored with sensationalism. I want facts ... no more ... no less __________________ You Tube Traffic - TokSee - Aweber - List Hero
jdahlan Member Joined: 4 Mar 2006 Posts: 4	# Posted: 4 Mar 2006 05:53 Reply Quoting: netjobs EMO is back in 12dailypro and Stormpay is not there to upgrade... its pretty bad situation to upgrade... Hi netjobs, Is it true that StormPay has been denying 12dailypro members their earnings? Has the matter been resolved? Is it also true that 12dailypro no longer accept new members?
netjobs Preferred Member Joined: 8 Jan 2006 Posts: 234	# Posted: 5 Mar 2006 01:10 · Edited by: netjobs Reply The matter won't be resolved and now its out of focus... and there will be no more autosurfing with 12dailypro... better check other sites and beware before investing to autosurf industry... keep visiting these kind of forums and get more tips and advice and invest your valuable money in a good manner... __________________ Tech Blog Success is not the end... its the path..
momoke Member Joined: 8 Mar 2006 Posts: 1	# Posted: 8 Mar 2006 15:23 Reply A small group of 20 friends based in EUROPE AND INTERNATIONALLY have started a Class Action Lawsuit against 12dp,stormpay and their owners. If u want to join, everybody is welcome. They need to hear from people to learn the amount of money involved. How many people had their accounts closed and/or money taken by Stormpay unjustly? How much money did you lose with 12dp and stormpay ? You can join them at [Link removed - Admin] lets get our money back