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mags101
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2006 13:53
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I'm new to autosurfing, the only autosurf site that I've been following is 12dp. I joined the site 3 days before stormpay froze the accounts.
Because I'm new to autosurfing I still do not have a firm grasp of the concept. To those who are very familiar of autosurfing, do you still think it's a good thing?
Thanks for your time.
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consumer
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# Posted: 16 Feb 2006 02:09 · Edited by: consumer
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Now that Stormpay's owner has cleverly manipulated Stormpay users resources and played the media to kill the competition, wait to see what he has Stormpay promote next. It may very well be autosurfs and/or hyip's, which, incidentally, are still around and flourishing. As the owner of a previous ponzi scheme, tymglobal, that is now Stormpay, he is an expert at erasing the competition and relieving people of their money.
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piggybanker
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# Posted: 16 Feb 2006 09:58 · Edited by: piggybanker
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Quoting: mags101 Because I'm new to autosurfing I still do not have a firm grasp of the concept. To those who are very familiar of autosurfing, do you still think it's a good thing?
I believe that the auto surf industry will be changing as a result of the storm that has blown in.
Rather than accuse StormPay or 12Dailypro. which so many are too eager to do, let me say this. We the auto surfers made a huge mistake. What? What the heck is he talking about?
Think about this for a minute. We were the ones who got greedy and started surfing the riskier sites and got really careless in one very huge area. We allowed and trusted ONE payment processor above all the others and that was StormPay. Boo and hiss all you want ... those who are booing and hissing are the very ones who will cry about anything and I laugh at your foolishness.
The number ONE rule of auto surfing is: Never risk more than you can afford to lose.
If you lost money refer to rule #1. If you're still mad at StormPay or 12dailypro allow me to offer some cheese to go with your whine.
I have over $8,000 tied up in this storm. It's MY fault. I own up to that. I diversified by surfing around 30 sites at a time, but I saw that StormPay was beginning to dominate the market after the EGold incident, but I did nothing and I said nothing.
Your original question was ' is auto surfing a good thing'?
Auto surfing is and always has been a risky business. The face of the industry is changing and there is a new breed of surfer that wants the greedy action. I foresee more sites changing like AWD has changed. Roughly every tenth site you have to manually click a number or you risk having your account suspended for cheating. The way auto surfs define their business models is definitely changing as we sit here. Auto surfing has been a good thing for those who made it into profit. It can, and probably will, be a better thing after all of this mess with StormPay and 12dailypro gets cleared up.
Many sites have allready made some necessary adjustments to keep their programs alive and It's the surfers that will either make or break a site. In the last two months or so I've seen some of the worst behavior from fellow surfers. It seems to be the norm nowadays to spread the negative about those you disbelieve and smooch on the behinds of those you defend. This has never helped the industry before and it can't help now. Nobody wants to listen to all the whining and who wants to hang with a Noser?
Okay, so here's my suggestion. If you're going to auto surf then diversify with lower risk sites, diversify your payment processors as well, and if you lose money or it gets frozen refer to rule #1.
Stay off the porch if you can't hang with the Big Dogs. I think I heard a puppy going Yipe! Yipe! Yipe! Scram! Ya whiney lil mutt.
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consumer
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# Posted: 16 Feb 2006 12:26
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Piggybanker,
I agree with what you say about changes forthcoming to the autosurf industry, however, the question remains of whether or not these changes were even necessary and warranted now? In months of membership in various autosurf programs, I never read anywhere -- except the posts by the usual few troublemakers on the worthless scam sites -- where massive numbers of people were losing money to autosurfs. Hyips, yes, but not to autosurfs. However, it is a fact now that massive numbers of people DID lose money solely resultant of the thus far legally unsubstantiated and unjustified actions almost covertly taken by Stormpay.
Now that these changes in the autosurf industry are necessary and after they have been implemented, what is to prevent the same thing happening again if the greedy owner of a payment processor like Stormpay is allowed to bring-down the industry without legal basis or justification?
Contrary to what Stormpay has cleverly stated in its after-the-fact updates and explanations for their actions to users, the media, and law enforcement agencies, the great majority of what they have stated has already been found to be untrue! They obviously had another necessity for taking the actions they did! Let's just hope such doesn't get white-washed and that law enforcement actually follows-through with a real investigation into their activities involving the monies that had been entrusted to them by their merchants and users.
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piggybanker
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# Posted: 16 Feb 2006 19:11 · Edited by: piggybanker
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Quoting: consumer
Contrary to what Stormpay has cleverly stated
May I remind you of the topic. We should make it our goal to help those who ask for help.
Quoting: mags101 To those who are very familiar of autosurfing, do you still think it's a good thing?
I've checked on a number of sites that weren't effected by the storm and they still appear to be a good thing Mags. There are many sites that will make every attempt to stay alive and protect what is left over. Eprofitsurf and Auto-Surf.biz are merging into one site and they'll have their own payment processor up soon.
Pass-the-Buck and SuperDailySurf also merged and lowered the daily percentage until they become healthier.
Alien Trust is restructuring and taking surfers opinions into account. I could name many others that I think will survive, but everything will change at least in the short term.
I recommend diversifying among many sites (5 - 10 minimum) and use more than one payment processor. E-Gold, AlertPay, Auto-Surf-Money, EMO, PayPal, StormPay, and others have all been used or are about to be used soon. It's still a wait and see game for most surfers, but I believe the nasty storm today can bring about greater safety and smarter surfers.
Laziness + Greed = Zero Balance
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consumer
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# Posted: 17 Feb 2006 07:02
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Piggybanker,
You can remind me of anything, but I, personally, would not recommend any autosurf to anyone right now until the issue concerning the legality of Stormpay's actions is qualified by a court of law. If a payment processor can arbitrarily take the law into its own hands and near destroy an entire industry the way Stormpay has done without first pursuing legal due course, then it doesn't make any difference how legitimate and good a program is! You haven't seemed to click to that yet!
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piggybanker
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# Posted: 17 Feb 2006 08:49
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Quoting: consumer You can remind me of anything, but
Let me guess. Nah! I've wasted enough time on this. YAWN!
Back to Topic
Quoting: piggybanker It's still a wait and see game for most surfers
That was a warning not a recommendation for Mags eyes. I think auto surfing will be a good thing again, but there will be a new breed of surfers, programs, and payment processors.
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philena30
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# Posted: 17 Feb 2006 11:08
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I think there will be more streams of revenue and balancing act for the auto surfing industry. And I think that there will be less scams sites because of this issue. So this may be a positive side to all this. So.. what will happen is more paid to read, paid to click, manual surfing and so on all the same site. Even though many programs were already doing that.. it's just be more of them.
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piggybanker
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# Posted: 17 Feb 2006 16:10 · Edited by: piggybanker
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I agree with you Philena. Many sites are allready requiring surfers to become active viewers either by adding Turing Tests or Questionaires that you must answer to get paid. This will be good news for the serious online marketer.
I bet your Dad is very proud of you.
Blessings to you and yours
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mags101
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# Posted: 20 Feb 2006 12:52
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Thank you for voicing your opinions on this matter. I agree whole-heartedly with the #1 rule. I will keep it in mind always. Thanks for the links, piggybanker.
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money mike
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# Posted: 21 Feb 2006 08:03
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I totally disagree.....the industry took a HUGE hit but I am a part of an organization called NME which is a chrisitian based organization geared towards helping people become financially free.....we just launched our own autosurf program and the communication is CRAZY.....we have conference calls nightly and we are deticated to helping people create wealth....not just in autosurf but in all areas of life...see my reply on
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piggybanker
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# Posted: 21 Feb 2006 09:36
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Quoting: money mike
I totally disagree.....the industry took a HUGE hit but I am a part of an organization called NME which is a chrisitian based organization geared towards helping people become financially free.....we just launched our own autosurf program and the communication is CRAZY.....we have conference calls nightly and we are deticated to helping people create wealth....not just in autosurf but in all areas of life...see my reply on
Nobody said the industry didn't take a HUGE hit, so who are you in disagreement with?
I believe in Adam and Eve, the burning bush, Noah's Ark, and that Jesus died for you and me, but I don't believe in using christianity to advertise or promote a business so I will not click your link.
I do believe in helping others and if I'm rewarded for my efforts well ... parables ... you should know some of them.
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ValcaInvestcom
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# Posted: 12 Mar 2006 17:23
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To answer the original poster's question, autosurf is still a viable business but finding the right programs is the hard part. Many programs are closing their doors due to the problems 12 daily pro had but a few new strong programs have emerged out of the ashes and it appears that they will be around for the long haul.
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solfan
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# Posted: 24 Mar 2006 00:01
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The Stormpay/12DP "fiasco" has opened the eyes of many. It's opened the eyes of many scammers out there that the Feds really do look at what's happening online. It's opened ours as members of a variety of sites. The industry is changing indeed. New business models are being created. The auto-surfs of the future will be going to manual surf. This is to insure that you don't click a link and walk away. That the many advertisers are being given the viewing attention that they are paying for.
There will still be scammers out there. It's up to each of us to do our due diligence on each program and make an educated decision on which programs to join.
The industry isn't dying by any means, it's changing. Be careful out there with which programs you join.
Good Luck to each of you in your online ventures!
-James (SOLFAN)
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justhavinfun
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# Posted: 4 Apr 2006 14:18
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If you own sites, yes you can get consistent traffic to your sites. I got paid $100 at autosurfhit.com. It's mainly for webmasters to promote their sites but they have a pay to click area and monthly cash contests. They use paypal to send payment to your email address.
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bacpro
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# Posted: 6 Apr 2006 13:45
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Here's some other tips if your intested in autosurf for cash not mentioned on the replys.
1. Stay away from sites that say they accept Paypal. (In the end
they claim all kinds of excuses that they can't pay because of a policy.
2. Stay away from site that require a min payout. (Your stuck because in order to cash out you need to have a certain amount in your account.
3. Stay away from long term site, they say your up grade last for 365 days. (They won't last that long and you lose)
4.Low percentage site are a joke. (Its takes to long to make any money. 1%, 2%
5. Look at the "Who is" because some of these site are regsitered in Aisia. They will take your money.
6. Some sites will gain your trust for a month or two and one day you wake up and bingo they're gone.(So start with low investment)
7. Try to contact, if they don't answer within a resonable time.(thats trouble)
I could go on and on. I've learned a lot and lost a lot.So now I'm very careful. Also most HYIP's are alll scams, I've stop this completly
Thats my Input
John
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gudangemas
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# Posted: 8 Apr 2006 10:21
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@bacpro Excellent tips
I would like to emphasize on point no 4,5 and 7.
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WARRANTIES4LESS
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# Posted: 11 May 2008 10:29
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Interesting,
No doubt the hay day of paid to surf ended with 12DP, but to think they pulled in millions a month was mind boggling. Now wouldn't it be nice if concept was done ethically, could it work for the long term verses the usual six months to a year. 12DP lasted a little longer than most, but with it being brought down by gov, it tainted the whole industry.
Now the new rage is Ad Surf Daily which is showing signs of being the next 12DP, except, they seem to be better organized, and offer more retail revenue generators which should keep them out of governments cross hairs. So far, they have had the usual growing pains, but hey, I have been using the advertising and it is pulling in new business for me, so I am happy given we just have to surf in exchange for credits, so this is what I started to test first before paying for advertising.
I can see this is exploding, so all I can say is get your money out that you put in to purchase advertising and then let it roll as it appears most are doing. You can't lose with this strategy, and if you see the advertising working as I have, then put money into it, as long as it is working, I would rather invest in a medium that pays me back rather than all the others. I like what I see so far, but time will tell.
Good luck to all, Mike
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