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shmeeko69
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# Posted: 18 Aug 2009 11:29
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It is very true that most top marketers have built a steady list up through time, with auto responders & people who still want to subscribe to their list, because they offer excellent products & when they do a launch an offer, they have at least 500+ names to fire out to & with a 10% - 15% strike rate with a £49 product that's a guaranteed £3k+ on any product/service launch - not bad 
These folk certainly are'nt scamsters, they're just ahead of the crowd & always forward thinking.
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Roxanna Revival
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# Posted: 21 Aug 2009 10:32
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twnuck: I've been doing business on the internet for awhile and I find that there are very FEW online scams. Most of what people claim to be a scam is really them complaining because they don't really want a business but just want to win the "internet lotto". Most want INSTANT rewards when they should be looking at this as a marathon and not a sprint! Todd
Huh? What? Your kidding me, right? Sorry I don't mean to sound rude, but I have also been working from home, using the internet for quite a while and have found that the internet is saturated with scams.
I guess it really depends on what your definition of a scam is. I believe that any thing that misleads customers is a scam. There are thousands of them out there.
Of course people new to internet marketing expect to "win the internet lotto" and expect instant results because they are told by scammers that if they follow the scammers "easy to use, step-by-step, fool-proof, 100% guaranteed, money-making system" then they will see results instantly.
Then once these newbie internet marketers send their payment, they are emailed a dodgy website template, which happens to be an exact copy of the website that they purchased this "fool-proof, money-making system" from, and a couple ebooks with resell-rights that they could have downloaded for free on another website.
These marketing newbies try to get their money back, but unfortunately anyone can put a 100% money-back guarantee on their website and not follow through with it. The newbie internet marketers find that the only way they are going to get their money back is to set up the website (which costs more money for hosting) advertise it (even more money) and repeat the whole scamming process. That is why the internet is flooded with them.
Personally I think that you need to ask yourself some questions before paying money for a work from home job:
If I were to quit this job at some point, and go back to the 9 to 5 daily grind, would I be able to list it on my resume as previous employment and have it impress any potential future employers? Or at least not have them laugh at it?
If I invest in this business opportunity, and decide to retire years from now, would I be able to sell it? and for what price? Would I be able to sell it for more than what I bought it for?
What I mean by that is: If you purchased an internet-based business for, lets just say $100, worked hard at it for 10 years or so, then decide to retire and sell, would it be worth more than the $100 that you paid originally?
If you invested all that time and hard-work, then the business that you are trying to sell should be worth a lot more than the original price, right? But if you can only sell it for the price that you paid, then what's the point? It isn't really an investment is it?
That is just my opinion, I know that there are some great work from home and business opportunities out there, but you really do have to filter through all the duds and scams.
I do agree with you though Todd, when you say that people should be looking at a marathon and not a sprint. To build your business it takes time, dedication and sacrifice. However, I don't believe that you have to invest money to build a business.
I started my business from scratch, with no money whatsoever (except for a domain name and hosting for my website) and although it has taken time, a lot of sleepless nights, hundreds of mistakes and pretty much sacrificing my social-life, I have finally gotten it to a place where I want it to be.
Slow and steady always wins the race.
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moneymaker1008
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# Posted: 22 Aug 2009 20:32
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twnuck: I've been doing business on the internet for awhile and I find that there are very FEW online scams. Most of what people claim to be a scam is really them complaining because they don't really want a business but just want to win the "internet lotto". Most want INSTANT rewards when they should be looking at this as a marathon and not a sprint! Todd
I'm sorry but I beg to differ, as well. I would say that business opportunities on the internet are at least 90% scams.
However I do agree that a lot of people complain over nothing. Most of the scams out there could be easily avoided by using common sense. The others can be avoided by using a little thing called Google. And any others can usually be avoided by reading the terms to find out what you are paying for!
I've seen very few scams that seemed legitimate after taking the above into account.
-Danielle
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# Posted: 26 Aug 2009 23:10
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That is very good advice. Something that I have learned as while if somethig is a scam is when people are promising ridiculous profits such as "If you buy this program I promise you will be making $14,000.00 in your fist month without any effort." Althought these types of products seems tempting but they are ususally scams feeding on those who are desperate to make a dime.
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GaryCameron
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# Posted: 28 Aug 2009 16:36
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At least two people have noted that they keep getting unwanted e-mails from Vemmabuilder.
I am a Vemma distributor. Sending unwanted spam is not how this company operates. Quite likely what has happened is an over zealous distributor or two are entering e-mails into the opt-in auto-responder. Send an e-mail to ms@vemma.com with the name of the distributor who is spamming and they will take care of it.
MWP sounds like My World Plus. I am familiar with them and do not recommend them. The founders of this company seem to be flogging a different opportunity every year or so. I do not see them as a stable opportunity.
Cash gifting programs are the 21st century version of the chain letter. Avoid at all costs.
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Andyee
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# Posted: 30 Aug 2009 10:14
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The only good thing is to buy products from famous marketers... maybe Stephen Pierce or if you are a blogger Yaro Starak. Never buy something from a person that is unknown.
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2009 14:53
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Thanks, everyone for all the really important info and input. Very valuable indeed.
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ScottWhaley
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# Posted: 6 Sep 2009 07:06
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I have been fortunate enough not to have been scammed, but I have heard the horror stories. I agree with getagrip in that not every business you come across on rippoffreport.com is a scam. I have personally bought into some clickbank products when I first started in Internet/Affiliate marketing. Some were good, most were terrible, but none of them were total scams.
I recommend to anyone interested in this industry to look for something that will provide the education tools needed to be successful in this industry. If you don't understand internet/affiliate marketing you are much more likely to get involved with a scam. So, educate yourself, and find a business that will provide you the marketing education that is so essential. Good Luck!
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ercowboy
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# Posted: 6 Sep 2009 07:56
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It seems to me that the only people making money are the ones who promise you thousands of $ daily and promise to show you how for ONLY $147. Then if you don't understand the jargon and the ins and outs already you may as well just send the money and turn off the computer.
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# Posted: 6 Sep 2009 09:44
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Andyee: The only good thing is to buy products from famous marketers... maybe Stephen Pierce or if you are a blogger Yaro Starak. Never buy something from a person that is unknown.
....hmmm... I don't think I quite agree here... most of my stuff I buy online is from people that I don't know from Adam NOR have ever heard of them....and I buy a ton of stuff online.
moneymaker1008: I would say that business opportunities on the internet are at least 90% scams.
I don't think it's quite that high... after having done a variety of things online, I dare say that crying "scam, scam," usually comes from folks that have NO IDEA what internet marketing is all about or how a home business works.
In fact if you start using RippOff report, you will soon find out that it is simply a place for folks to rant and give vent to frustrations...
There again, it is usually from the ones that bought the lie about making millions doing nothing.
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# Posted: 6 Sep 2009 10:20
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moneymaker1008: I would say that business opportunities on the internet are at least 90% scams.
I can assure you it is not that high. In fact, I bet its quite the opposite. 90% legitimate, and 10% scam. The problem is that people have no idea what they are doing. They buy a business and expect it to make them 1000's of dollars after putting $100 into google adwords, or writing their first couple of articles.
Many of these business will tell you exactly how to set up a google adwords account, but they will probably leave out how important it is to research appropriate keywords, and the importance of having those keywords in your ads.
Some businesses will probably give you some great articles to submit to different article directories, but most wont tell you that google frowns on duplicate content, and that thousands of other people have already submitted the same article.
Eventually people realize that the exceptional business they thought they had is not working and they fail. Then they shoot straight over to RippOff Report and yell SCAM!
The only advice I can give is just to educate yourself. Buy a book instead of a business.
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moneymaker1008
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# Posted: 6 Sep 2009 20:00
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It's definitely not only 10% scam. Especially if you factor in all the different types of work at home offers out there. For instance, the data entry, at home assembly, and PTC industries are full of scams and it would be difficult to find even one or two legitimate opportunities.
While I agree that people are often too quick to call something a scam, that's not taking into consideration all the sites that really are scams. The people that are judging too quickly just get more attention because there is more controversy over their statements.
But just by browsing the internet I come across at least 5-10 obvious scams a day. While most of them could be easily avoided by using logic, people still fall for them and they are still scams.
-Danielle
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shmeeko69
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2009 06:28 · Edited by: shmeeko69
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You will find that If someone buys a product or service &
it doesn't do the job it's supposed to, then they'll cry wolf
& think the whole internet marketing business is full of scamsters.
I have been scammed myself, but learned from my mistake &
got on with the job on hand.
If we were all scamsters, we'd all go out of business, so please
remember there are honest, genuine people out there, offering
good products & sound advice.
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# Posted: 12 Sep 2009 15:08
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The typing at home jobs are the ones that people should be wary of since they promises rather unrealistic earnings within a little time and I tell you that is just the catch.
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# Posted: 15 Sep 2009 17:36
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which one did you do? did you become an affiliate or? how far along did you go with it. I think there can be legitimacy if you actually become an affiliate of a real site that actually offers real product.
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2009 10:23
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Here are a few rules I've used when looking for legitimate opportunities:
(1) It should not cost a lot. If someone is charging $1,000 for information on how to make money, I usually suspect that he is making most of his money by selling his BS program, not by doing what the program supposedly teaches.
(2) It should have a guarantee. If you've already weeded out the high cost programs, any program in which you can't make your small investment back in a relatively short time probably is not worth investing in.
(3) It should not make unrealistic claims. If a program promises huge income in a short period of time with no work on your part, approach with caution.
I like the one about never paying to work for someone.
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moneymaker1008
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2009 12:30
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I agree with most of what you said except:
Andy3568: (2) It should have a guarantee. If you've already weeded out the high cost programs, any program in which you can't make your small investment back in a relatively short time probably is not worth investing in.
While it's a good idea to look for this, one shouldn't pay too much attention to it because a good proportion of the scams out there offer a "guarantee." It doesn't really mean much.
-Danielle
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mjg355
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# Posted: 18 Sep 2009 08:38
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Hi
I wish that I had discoverd this forum a long time ago!
Whilst not wasting a lot of money compared to some, I have now started coming to this forum first and it has already saved me over 150 pounds and got some great feedback from members on things they have tried.
Nice Job
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# Posted: 19 Sep 2009 04:20
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shmeeko69: It is very true that most top marketers have built a steady list up through time, with auto responders & people who still want to subscribe to their list, because they offer excellent products & when they do a launch an offer, they have at least 500+ names to fire out to & with a 10% - 15% strike rate with a £49 product that's a guaranteed £3k+ on any product/service launch - not bad
While this is relatively acceptable I am sitting on the fence for the final verdict. When I receive a recommended product from a top marketer I would like to think that the person has recommended it on the grounds that they "really do believe in the product". However, I don't think this is always the case. In fact I sometime wonder if they have even tried out the product themselves before they recommend it. On top marketers recommendations I have bought two products and have found both of them a complete waste of money. On the other had I have made one great purchase which really helped further my business.
I guess what it really boils down to is that, we, as discerning buyers should be more logical in our decision on what to purchase. Any marketer will use all his tools to make a sale ... look beyond the sales hype and smooth talk and make an informed decision by asking other users of their opinion of the product (forums are great for this purpose), read the reviews (there are some really honest reviewers out there who are not just wanting to sell as well). To a large degree, it is after all possible to avoid being scammed.
Roxanna Revival: If I were to quit this job at some point, and go back to the 9 to 5 daily grind, would I be able to list it on my resume as previous employment and have it impress any potential future employers? Or at least not have them laugh at it?
Actually I think it is quite possible to use this in a resume - it shows tenacity and hints at being pro-active. Having been in the corporate world for 26 years and being responsible for employing people I would certainly not disregard this - it would be an ideal way to find out more about the person's aspirations etc.
A scam is defined as: "a scheme for making money out of dishonest means". Is it still a scam if some people ARE making money?
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# Posted: 19 Sep 2009 10:49
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ZiggyZoo
A scam is defined as: "a scheme for making money out of dishonest means". Is it still a scam if some people ARE making money?
Good question, or are they simply opportunists exploiting someone elses weakness ??
BTW I dont subscribe to that practice !
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2009 09:13
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mjg355: Whilst not wasting a lot of money compared to some, I have now started coming to this forum first and it has already saved me over 150 pounds and got some great feedback from members on things they have tried.
Good - that is what we like to hear!
ZiggyZoo: A scam is defined as: "a scheme for making money out of dishonest means". Is it still a scam if some people ARE making money?
hmmm... I never thought of it that way. Guess I just get too ticked off with them and I would have to say YES, it is still a scam....
There are scammers in jail for making a truckload of money dishonestly.
Hope they don't give them computer priviledges in there... 
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2009 17:01
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moneymaker1008: While it's a good idea to look for this, one shouldn't pay too much attention to it because a good proportion of the scams out there offer a "guarantee." It doesn't really mean much.
I understand and actually agree. One way to protect yourself is to pay via PayPal if they offer it. Then, if you believe you've been scammed, PayPal will generally give you your money back if it's within 45 days. That should be plenty of time to determine whether what you've bought is crap or not.
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2009 15:10
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Recently i posted a lot about how to identify scams on my blog.
Most scam usually start with offers that look too good to be true.
The truth is there is nothing like overnight riches, many scams claim to make you rich overnight which is not possible.
You might be familiar with this one " My uncle just pass away and left me with a lot of ......"
Real opportunity still abound online and offline.
Do your research. For online opportunity you can find out if the site belong to BBB.
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# Posted: 2 Oct 2009 23:34
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Roxanna Revival: Of course people new to internet marketing expect to "win the internet lotto" and expect instant results because they are told by scammers that if they follow the scammers "easy to use, step-by-step, fool-proof, 100% guaranteed, money-making system" then they will see results instantly.
Well, that's the first clue that you're likely not going to make any money, isn't it. The typical Get Rich Quick come on is usually a scam. Earning money is not that easy. Any serious online or work at home business takes time and energy. There's really no way to instantly be successful. Unless... you're scamming others into believing that there is!
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2009 22:00
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Antonios,
I'm really sorry to hear about your experiences. I, too was victimized by Graham Frame. My family invested almost $18,000 in his Cash4Sure program after being promised a certain level of return. Of course nothing ever happened, return-wise.
Mr. Frame gravitated from California to Utah, and then left the country and is presently in Italy. He promises to make good on our and other folks' investment but I feel it will be a long wait.
I wish there were a rating system for services such as hosts, emailers, advertisers and so forth. But since there really isn't, watch to see what most other people are using. You see GoDaddy all the time, and when you opt into autorespond messages you usually see AWeber. I use both and both are reputable.
Let me know how you are doing and if I can be of help to you, please ask.
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ScottWhaley: can assure you it is not that high. In fact, I bet its quite the opposite. 90% legitimate, and 10% scam. The problem is that people have no idea what they are doing. They buy a business and expect it to make them 1000's of dollars after putting $100 into google adwords, or writing their first couple of articles. Many of these business will tell you exactly how to set up a google adwords account, but they will probably leave out how important it is to research appropriate keywords, and the importance of having those keywords in your ads. Some businesses will probably give you some great articles to submit to different article directories, but most wont tell you that google frowns on duplicate content, and that thousands of other people have already submitted the same article. Eventually people realize that the exceptional business they thought they had is not working and they fail. Then they shoot straight over to RippOff Report and yell SCAM! The only advice I can give is just to educate yourself. Buy a book instead of a business.
I would definite agree with your statement. I have been fortunate and only been in a few "scams" and most legitimate opportunties. The scams I was involved in was more of my fault for falling for the "get rich quick" pyramids that are out there. I do believe that a person needs to assess what types or products or services they feel passionate about and then promote/market those.
For instance, I was an avid user of nutritional supplements. I feel/felt that some companies offered some great products. The problem was when a MLM company wraps itself around this product and you give in to the over night wealth mentality. It simply doesn't work that way. The benefit to failing so many times in a business is that you learn more and more about business itself which is an invaluable lesson. Learning about business, trade and commerce is more important than getting rich because you can take that skill anywhere and implement what you have learned in any business and sel/market any product of your choice.
In the end, I decided to start my own business offering products and services that I am passionate about. Such as IT Consulting. I am a computer geek and love the industry. I have learned that online marketing systems need to have certain tools in place such as websites, email, autoresponders, web analytics (to know who your customers are) and not to mention knowing someone who knows a bit about computers, the internet and business is gold.
I have even compiled an e-book which outlines what a person needs who is looking to either work at home, start a home business or grow their current small business on and off the internet. I feel there is more of a need to help people than there is to just sell products or services.
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# Posted: 18 Oct 2009 21:15
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You sure know what your talking about. I agree with you there is a lot of information that's worth paying for. If you are looking for a job then you should not have to pay. If you are trying to learn the skills necessary for success on the linternet, you may want to buy a good program to show you the ropes. You can probably find out this info for free if you search long and hard, but it's worth the money to have it all laid out for you.
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# Posted: 20 Oct 2009 08:09
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photomom04: If there are ANY fees such as a one time membership fee, a fee for "training materials" etc., it is probably a scam.
It probably is. You should not pay any upfront money for you to get projects.
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# Posted: 5 Nov 2009 05:32
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I have come across so many working websites with the words 'noscam' in their URL. Any website that feels the need to explicitly state it isn't a scam, surely cannot be trusted 100% lol!
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emmaathome: I have come across so many working websites with the words 'noscam' in their URL. Any website that feels the need to explicitly state it isn't a scam, surely cannot be trusted 100% lol!
I agree! Why would anyone make the claim that their site is not a scam? It kind of goes into the same category as when someone says, "trust me." To me, that typically means that person cannot or should not be trusted. We had a person come into our place of business not too long ago and said those very words. Needless to say, we our still trying to collect the money he owes.
Watch out for the smooth talkers and that includes web sites. Do you due-diligence and check out the person(s)/principle(s) before accepting their word as the truth.
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