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dmof10
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2008 05:48
There are good mlm out there but you have to make sure it is something you want to do and are focused on building the business. Will it build over night no, it takes work just like any job you go to. As long as you work the system, and believe it will work you will see success.
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# Posted: 16 Dec 2008 14:38
Well I am more into MRM as opposed to MLM, something very similiar but most people are not up to the whole selling idea. Basically what you do is invite, you sponsor people you invite and you make money online. The whole site is about networking, which is just establishes relationship. Its good to promote your business or get involved with a business opportunity. There is a lot of activity on the site.
You can get a free profile, without having to spend money. Meaning get a look at it. It is completely free until you decide you want more.
Remember in MLM or MRM its all about relationships, how you can help people out, how they view you as a person.
Not everyone can connect with a direct salesman, because the main focus is to get a sale from someone.
I will say that the site offers residual income opportunities, and so on, you can really look into it yourself by clicking on the link below.
I am not trying to recruit anybody, just giving you options, besides its a free profile so your not losing anything, contact me for more info if you like.
Take care to all and good luck with your businesses.
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dani_nae
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# Posted: 5 Feb 2009 18:23
I think people just need to realize that MLM is what you put into it! The angry people at the bottom who claim everything is a pyramid scheme and everyone is scamming them for their money are the ones who expect thier business to just magically grow by doing nothing! YOu have to really put yourself out there, really believe in the product, and put time in and MLM WILL work. I haven't joined any MLMs yet, but am looking into Mona Vie right now becuase I really believe in the product and if its something I'm going to be buying anyways, I might as well try to make a business out of it!
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mr127500
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# Posted: 5 Feb 2009 22:04
Well said, suck it up and get to work. You get out what you put in and its like any sales job. There is a sales cycle and you have to build your pipeline of prospects for it to funnel down to sales.
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Globalmom
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# Posted: 6 Feb 2009 11:04
There are some great comments here. I really don't think that there is just one thing that makes a great MLM. While my personal belief is that the product is one of the more important keys, it goes hand it hand with company, team, training... and if you are truly happy and confident with all that attitude and in turn sales will follow.
You need to do your homework and know and love everything about what you are getting into or it won't work long term. I know that the greatest product in the world won't make me successful if I don't get training or if I don't believe in the company and vice versa.
For instance, I personally love Melaleuca but so many people do not like or "get" the minimum purchase requirements. Those people are people who should look for something else. Why in the world would I want someone on my team who isn't happy with the way the company works. I don't care if this is the most hard core recruiter, they are eventually going to quit and just lose money (unless they really have no scruples).
This is where honesty and integrity comes into play. Yes, recruiting is where there is more money but if I just recruit, recruit, recruit without believing in the product and your team, it eventually will die. This is why I lead with the product and lay it all out. I'd much rather have a loyal customer for years and years that might refer a friend or two then someone who joins on hype and doesn't stick around. And yes, there is money to be made this way too!
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FreeCashMan
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# Posted: 6 Feb 2009 11:31
There are many Good and Great MLM's. The problem is more so the person than the company. Building a successful downline and monthly residual income takes work and dedication. He who puts in the dedication and commitment gets the reward at the end of the day.
But having a good comp plan and marketing game plan helps. This floating number of 95% failure rate in MLM has more to do with people not understanding what it takes to succeed in network marketing so that one can have success.
Most people fail to start out right. Which is get your mind right for success. Many are going from an employee mindset to an entrepreneur setting. Mental adjustment is necessary.
From there get the marketing training and support, and stay focus and let things come.
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seeyalater72
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# Posted: 6 Feb 2009 11:54
There are many very good mlms out there. Unfortunately, there are many bad ones as well. Most mlms do focus on recruiting as this allows for the most lucrative compensation. Unless you have a high end product(by high end I mean a high price point) and can sell it like hotcakes, you probably wouldn't make much money with mlm. On the other hand, if you can recruit several in your downline who can duplicate this process the possibilites are endless with mlm.
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gregfleming7
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# Posted: 9 Feb 2009 17:21
Hi, I've also been burned by so many MLM's over the years that I finally gave up on them. They mostly seem to be about signing folks up and not about the product. I mean you could sell mud-pies and if the basic mlm model was followed and people would order the product, everyone would make money. Anyway, I pretty much gave up.
In December, just before Christmas, I lost my regular income and found myself once again surfing for "opps" . . . wow, things have changed in the last year. Seemed like it's all about affiliate marketing and/or gifting programs. After a few days I gave up again. Then a friend told me about a new Atlanta company launching in January of this year. It's called ProxyComm. They sell a product that everyone needs whether they are in business or not. The product is a "second" phone number that works with your existing cell phone (no matter your carrier). We had just cut off our home phone anyway to save money and so it tweaked my interest. I signed up for it mainly for the service and not the "opportunity" because I realized if I had my own proxycomm phone number with unlimited incoming and outgoing minutes for only $25 a month then I could actually save alot of money each month.
I got my new proxycomm phone number and it's all I use. I set it up as one of "my circle" numbers with my carrier so it's a "free call" every time I use it. I reduced my current carrier's plan from $120/mo down to $49/mo so now I pay pretty much half what I was paying and get unlimited minutes. The proxycomm number comes with free voicemail and a cool caller id feature that lets me send folks straight into voice mail if I want to. I've told a couple of people about it and they've signed up for their own proxycomm number. I'm fast realizing this is about the product and not the opportunity. If I decide to push it, the comp plan pays a huge commission for everyone on my "weakest" leg to infinity so I'm pretty excited. The company is very new and I think still ironing out all the bumps in the road but it's the first time I've ever felt really really good about the 'product' first. Check them out if your are interested (proxycomm.com) . . . you can email the owner from the website and they get back to you pretty quick. I see everyone with a cell phone wanting this product . . . that's a few hundred million people.
I thankfully joined under the first strong "team" under the owner and they just set up my "splash page" whatever that means. That's the one that I put in my "signature" but feel free to go to the company site just to check it out. I've also had lots of realtors interested and when I asked my upline this weekend they said a "retail only" site is being created for folks that just want the product and not the opp. That also made me feel good about the company.
Thanks, Greg
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snowboardaholic
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2009 00:41
MLM's are all over the net these days, and it is difficult to find programs that are going to be around for awhile. For me GDI is a great program. It offers something that people really want and need. Web sites and web hosting. I don't know of a better product out there. The marketing tools are fantastic and they have great support. I would recommend checking them out for sure.
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2009 12:39
Good topic,
With MLM going through many ups and downs, similar to the people who have tried it, they too go through ups and downs. I have been involved in the industry for longer than I want to mention, and I have seen the trends, and the good, bad and ugly of industry, and stilll, all and all, it is one of the few ways an average person can find success, but not without hard work which is something most don't understand about MLM or any business you start.
Sadly, the hype and hoopla have burned more people than we know. Most who get into MLM end up failing, and then blame everyone but themselves for quitting. We all get fed up in this industry, and most of the pros who made money have also cycled in and out of MLM over the years. It is a very frustrating industry when you finally make it, and company goes bust, or worse, gov. brings it down, so expect the unexpected and you won't be disappointed. lol
There are many fine home based or online opportunities, you just have to work harder to find them. MLM works, but only if you work it. I learned long ago to be diversified, so if one company goes under, you are not left high and dry, and totally burned out when losing your income. Look for recession proof businesses first and foremost, so do your research above all.
Success to all,
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Elysium
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2009 14:59 · Edited by: Elysium
Maybe it's just me, but after spending a couple years now really looking into the many programs out there, I can't help but to figure there is one major problem...
There are too many programs, causing too many people, to be spread too thin.
I mean it's good for there to be 'some' variety of products (so as to appeal to different tastes), but there are numerous programs out there that are very similar. Now, could you imagine if all of those similar programs could just combine... how fast and how huge the combined entity would be from all the masses? It would become the one 'ideal' program by using the best qualities that each similar program had created.
How many programs existing today could gather under the wanted basics:
A useful, legit product
A realistic income potential
An affordable monthly or one-time cost
...I'm sure you guys could add more to the list, but you get the idea.
I think one other important ingredient would be that everyone makes an income no matter when they join. People who join 6 months after a program has started need to be assured they won't be the 'losers' at the bottom bringing in a fraction of those who signed up when it first started. A constant balance needs to exist.
The sad thing is I think such a thing is very possible, but because of greed and (insert your own beliefs here) it probably will never happen. We all want the same thing in the end... financial success, but, as a people, we seem to be doing a good job of preventing it. Meh, like I was saying... maybe it's just me.
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FreeCashMan
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2009 15:11 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
You have a point. I think it is also a matter of people trying to work every program they see with a new fancy website, thinking that's the one that's gone to make them rich. People are not inclined to do the necessary marketing for online success, and would rather hop around like rabbits to different programs.
Not saying one can't and shouldn't work more than one opportunity but program hoping for riches does not serve those you introduce to the program well. Find a good one and work it.
Network marketing is not an instant riches game. Don't be fooled by all those websites out there or conference calls with someone saying "i just joined and made a ton of money". Most of those folks won't tell you they blasted there list and that resulted in the surge.
So much hype and lies that make good programs get questioned that don't deserve it.
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2009 19:12
Elysium: Maybe it's just me, but after spending a couple years now really looking into the many programs out there, I can't help but to figure there is one major problem... There are too many programs, causing too many people, to be spread too thin.
Good point,
Yes, with thousands of MLM companies, very few are unique, but that is true in all businesses, there are very few which offer a unique or exclusive product or service.
I research them all, and you are right, most are the same. Take nutritional companies, how many juice deals are there in market? We know there are thousands of pill companies and weight loss deals, so it may seem saturated, but there are millions who never heard of MLM or these products, so there will always be a potential to make money selling these mainstream products, but it is up to the person involved more than anything else.
I prefer to search out the exclusive products and services more so than the typical program, and there are a few out there, you just have to look and research it more. Looking for recession proof businesses is the most important place to start for the first thing people eliminate from their budgets in tough times are high price juices and pills, so I would not want to be in these businesses at this point in time as I know many who are seeing all their hard work go down the drain due to attrition, the killer in all MLM's.
Just ask yourself what you have cut back on in your budget to know what businesses to stay away from. Look for businesses that save money should be your prime objective. Real verifiable savings is where I want to focus my efforts and have for past year, and it is paying off. With businesses looking to save money, this is where you can do very well in a recession. As example, I market a discount business cooperative membership which saves on TV, radio, direct mail, lead prospecting advertising systems, health care and office supplies as example. We save businesses thousands, and we just added energy audit to save companies on heating and air conditioning and electric, so again, focus on saving people and businesses money first and formost.
Success to all,
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dianemumm
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2009 19:54
yes I can agree on all points here.. Everyday it seems you have new opportunites popping up it is hard to not look at them.. but I have decided to just focus on 3 and that will be my limit..
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jeffathome
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2009 19:06
There is an MLM to suit anyones needs. You have to find what is right for you. Some people want supplements, some makeup, juice, jewelry,weightloss products, adult parties etc. There are just so many. For me it took another company first to make me realize what I really wanted. A great company that takes a proactive approach to your health and holds you accountable for your work outs. The fact that they also give you free customers generated from millions spent on infomercial advertising is also a big plus. Find something you believe in that is simple and stick with it. Nothing is easy but there are simple programs out there.
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Anthony S
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2009 18:11
Hello to all,
I came to WAHF early in January of this year, when I decided that I had to find an additional source of income from my day job and had committed myself to learning the tricks of the work at home trade.
I joined the thread on casual chat "this is for newbies" which i was (a newbie that is) and still am but found help encouragement and understanding from others on there. So, in a nut shell although I am still climbing the steep learning curve especially with the computer and internet stuff, I did my due dilligence looking for something that would allow me to earn while I learn.
While my intention is to eventually build multiple streams of income I needed a primary business with which to get my teeth into. I decided not to join an existing established referral marketing company but rather try to locate one that was either relatively new or in pre-launch in other words get in in the beginning, on the ground floor, position myself in front of the train and strike while the iron is hot so to speak. However that was not my only criteria, the product had to be one that I had an interest in, that I believed in and (being an experienced 53 year old retail store manager) had daily household usage at a price that was close if not less expensive and similar to if not better and more effective than products that could be purchased from retail outlets.
Other just as important things that I looked for was an approachable and dedicated helpful upline, one that I could count on and that the compensation plan was attractive and obtainable.
I think one must enter into such ventures knowing that nothing is free, a million dollars over night is not realistic and by putting in the work and dedication and helping others to do the same the potential to earn a good second income is real and maybe eventually go full time working from home.
The company I have just joined is still in prelaunch and if anyone here has any curiosity if you can send me a personnal message on this forum I will galdly give you their information site as I don't have my own web site yet...this computer caveman is still working and learning to do that .......doing the 30 day challenge for the internet stuff
Well thats my say so far, looked forward to reading more posts and comments here
Good night and may your gods go with you in what ever you do
regards Anthony
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2009 19:16 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
Anthony may I suggest that you go to your profile section and look at the process to insert your links into your signature section for programs you would like others to take a look at. Unless you intentionally elected to not do that.
Regarding prelaunch of new opportunities. I would say Never, Ever judge an opportunity by a prelaunch. Yes, they are exciting and some people pocket a lot, and other do not. Prelaunches are like a blazing fire that is in the process of burning out, but it's at a high point, and sometimes it's peak, so you don't realize it at the time and you get caught up in the glory of the moment.
The program I believe you are referring too with over 10K preregistered members will likely go very well, but to say it's a 'great' opportunity is yet to be determined. It has potential from a product stand point. I know of the founder. I'm on his list from when I joined a program he was in years ago. Prior to this program he put together himself, the guy was always emailing about some other program he was now in and promoting and how great it was going to be. He had a 'join me make $10K in a month' or so campaign, I wonder what happen to that. Anyhow, we will see what happens over time, if we are talking about the same opportunity which launches Thursday afternoon, much excitement going on about it but at the end of the day it will be about what the individual does to manifest success.
Thing I like about these paid programs is that if I join I use free cash most of the time. I was tired of losing money hoping to make money in the biz opportunity success game. There's always another "HOT LIKE Fire" program coming out. Find a winner, or 2, or 3, maybe, lol, and work it, and let success come to you.
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2009 21:39
Interesting,
There are many strategies in starting a home business, but in all cases, you have to live and learn, some will be better than others, but the lesson I learned long ago was not to quit if your first venture fails.
I research them all knowing that I am learning along the way, and wow, have I learned a lot over the years. lol I like start ups too, but I have my long standing buisnesses working at the same time, so I will run with the right new deals which are internet based and require no arm twisting or chasing people. Disversified portfolio approach has always been my strategy, and I have had some winners and losers, but I still enjoy the challenge of start ups.
Success to all,
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# Posted: 1 Mar 2009 21:44
You know what I see in all the forums I visit?
A bunch of good people wanting to learn and teaching
others what the have learned.
But no one ever making any money! At least not a real income anyway.
The people who make the big money don't hang out on these forums. They are sending their recruits here (lol)
Some people are just natural sales people or they spent many years and money in school or wherever to create the level of income they have.
People fail cause it's not their thing. Marketing is fast paced, always changing and tough and you have to like it,
I am not raking in anything to bragg about either but I look at it as a way to use my free time to hopefully generate an income for the future as I get better at marketing.
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# Posted: 3 Mar 2009 00:13
Mirab, I'm not sure who you've been talking too, but there are some money maker's in this forum, self included. I'm taking 5-6 figures earners. Not into boasting about cash flow because success in an online business is relative to one's knowledge, consistency, effort and time. Something many don't realize when getting involved in a biz opp. So the money I make doesn't dictate what some else can make doing the same thing I do, be it more or less. But don't think that this forum or other popular work at home forums are without significant money makers posting consistently or regularly. Then hey, maybe I just haven't made enough yet.
I training people on marketing with our program, as well as I market where I training members. Especially in forums. Forums are a superb place to generate leads to your opportunity if you do things consistently and have a viable opportunity to share, along with good commentary. Sly and subtle self promo post won't get anyone very far. You got to contribute something worthwhile, sometime.
I will say this to have success in an online business. It can't be about casual free time frolicking on the hope of making money online.
"Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness."
-Matrix Reloaded: The Architect
Dedication, focus and commitment to success is what one must have to overcome the challenges to riches, or just good cash flow, with their online business. You can't play with it like a toy and expect to be successful. Play it like a professional sport, with multi-million dollar players, where the game is really about the serious business of making money with the game.
I love this Online "Game."
Cheers!
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# Posted: 3 Mar 2009 01:40
the key to MLM is finding a product you are passionate about, that people NEED, and is quality.
aside from that you have to be willing to work and stay committed. You have to set long term, monthly, and weekly goals.
Best of all, hold yourself accountable for YOUR business.
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Anthony S
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# Posted: 5 Mar 2009 20:05
Hello Freecashman,
Thanks for the reply my friend. You guessed right, I am a 'newbie' still, and although I regard my self as a pretty good marketer in the off line face to face, real in person world, I am a pretty new to to the world of internet marketing but I think I am making strides with the help of observant and professional folks like yourself.
thanks for the tip about how to put the links into my signature.. I think I did it right.. we will see as soon as I post this note. As far as the company I joined I think it maybe different to the one you are thinking off.. anyhow check it out I would welcome your thoughts, comments and any constructive ideas that you have.
thanks again mate
cheers Anthony
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# Posted: 5 Mar 2009 20:14
hey freecash, wow it worked. wow you should see my face now if only you could see my face now. I just went to the fridge to get a beer to celebrate... my missus just ran down the stairs to find out what all the noise was about .....thanks mate, Thankyou, I am not sure about what I could do to help you as I am still learning this internet stuff. but ask anyway.
cheers Thanks again I am still grinning from ear to ear
Anthony (the 53 year old kid with a new toy HOW GREEN IT IS)
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# Posted: 6 Mar 2009 11:56
Congrats Anthony,
Always nice to see newbies come to the forum, and I see you learned a lot already for you found a good product in WOWGreen for your first venture, so good luck, having been in the green industry for years, and seeing strong growth, this one is a winner and with your face to face skills, no doubt you will do well.
Success to all, Mike
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# Posted: 6 Mar 2009 12:12
Looking good. Much success to you in your biz.
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# Posted: 10 Mar 2009 01:13
I am having alot of success with Enlyten. I usually dont do MLMs but its ground floor so I figured why not. Its going great so far. Hopefully it will provide long term residual income.
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Anthony S
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2009 13:14
hi mike, freecash and all here,
Thanks very much for the kind comments the good lucks and words of encouragement, yes I believe I have a winner I'm giving this my all, learning new things everyday and taking action.
In fact not only have I learnt lessons from my sponsors and upline but from some of my downline too, so if I maybe bold enough to contribute newbie advise on this forum:
Here is a lesson for everyone including the leaders out there in MLM land, never be afraid to reach out and ask for help, ideas and answers to questions from anyone in your organization you may just be amazed where the best ones come from..now thats teamwork.
So my answer to the initial title question posed on this thread is.
Yes there is!!
cheers everyone
Anthony Salt
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2009 19:29
I am not personally involved in MLM's but my uncle has had huge success in this field. He hasn't worked a "real" job in 15 years and has a huge house in lake arrowhead CA. Anyway he was done with MLM, didnt need to work any more and found a product called e-cig it is basically a tobaccoless cig that you can smoke anywhere, it does not violate the clean air act. He says that it is the easiest MLM he has ever seen because you dont have to approach people, they approach you to see what you are doing. Anyway check it out!
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2009 23:40
Agreed,
There are many who have made it big in MLM, but like all businesses, it takes work. I have been researching nothing but recession proof businesses in the past year seeing my revenies drop off due to recession over past year.
The e-cigarette did make it onto my top ten list, why, simple, with tobacco taxes going to be going up with Obama plan to fund healthcare, a pack of smokes will problably be over ten bucks now, and combined with those wanting to kick nicotine habit, this new technology is the only health safe alternative, so I agree, one of the most easy businesses to promote even if you are not a tobacco smoker.
I use it even though I had kicked habit decades ago, but I remember it like yesterday how difficult it was to kick habit. I tried to quit a dozen times, wasn't easy, wish I had this e-cigarette back then, everyone I refer this to ends up kicking addiction to nicotine in a couple months, and no more tobacco and the cancer, heart disease and emphysema associated with tobacco smoking, so this is a great little product I would recommend to anyone to use, or make money with.
Success to all, Mike
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# Posted: 19 Mar 2009 22:00
Look for products that are already branded. Meaning they don't need mlm to sell them. It is much easier to sell big name products that people are familiar with and see all the time.
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