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WARRANTIES4LESS
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# Posted: 15 Sep 2009 18:34
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mountainmom5: have noticed that... but those are both so far outside my comfort zone, that I'll just have to leave them to other more daring folks like you. You have to remember that I was a little amish lady for the first 30 years of my life...
Funny,
I understand completely, and agree, I was same way about sex, but I did like gambling, but having grown up in PA amish country, I totally understand, different strokes for different folks. lol
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# Posted: 18 Sep 2009 22:53
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Even if you don't it beats the alternative.
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# Posted: 19 Sep 2009 22:46
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The fact is all marketing is "Multi-Level Marketing" (MLM)...even affiliate marketing.
In traditional brick-n-mortar businesses there are usually CEO, Presidents, VPs, Division Heads, Sales Managers, Team Leaders all receiving some form of compensation on the sales of the sales representative. These are the equivalent of an up-line in an MLM structure.
People get caught up in these names; they often spark negativity in the minds of the uneducated.
Many MLMs and Affiliate programs get bad reviews in forums from former marketers, they blame the program on their failure.
The truth is, in any sales orgainization 85% of sales come from the top 15% which leaves 15% of the sales being done by the bottom 85%. Whether you choose an affiliate program or an MLM, the success you enjoy will be directly proportionate to the effort you contribute.
Sales is an art...the art of subtle persuasion. Some are gifted with the art, but most everyone can learn the art with proper instruction.
If you are thinking about getting involved in a direct marketing orgainization or affiliate program, seek one with good products, training and support systems, but know that all will take effort on your part if you want to succeed.
bruce.
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# Posted: 1 Oct 2009 13:11
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I've been experimenting with MLMs for a few months now. Mainly for fun and out of curiousity.
I think I've learned enough and agree that Affiliate marketing is much better however perhaps a little harder in that you need to find people who actually want the product.
It's a little easier to find people out there who want an "opportunity" which is essentially all MLMs are. You sell an opportunity but the company throws in a free e-book just to keep themselves legal.
In saying that, I think I will start to move my focus into the affiliate marketing and the MLMs just seem to all fizzle out after a while. Only 1 program out of all the ones I have tried has gone the distance so I will probably stick with that one, but I will spend more time pursuing building something that will last and I think Affiliate marketing may be that answer
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# Posted: 1 Oct 2009 17:43
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Interesting,
No doubt, different people will see things differently, but like all of us, you will lean towards what has been successful first and foremost. Personally, what I am seeing in the industry is a merger of the two, MLM and affiliates, and as many are seeing, affiliate programs are graduating to multi tier which in my opinion is the same as MLM. lol
I work both, and for good reasons, there is no such thing as a perfect program for everyone. I got fed up with MLM and created one of, in not the first multi tier affiliate program back in 1998. It worked great, so I think more are seeing why, leverage, that is why.
It is no different than saying, I would rather have 1% of 199 peoples effort than 100% of my own, so this is why MLM or multi tier programs are what I focus on, leverage is where the real money is long term. It is all about saving money in this economy, and if you can save people money, then it makes no difference what compensation plan is used.
If you cannot save money, it is near impossible to sell a typical overpriced product through MLM or affiliate program. It is not about which plan works best, it is about which product or service you promote sells best.
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# Posted: 1 Oct 2009 21:38
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Merging MLM with Affiliate ?
It sounds good. Do you have any examples of such ? Because every MLM program I have every seen requires that I pay a fee to be a member.
If there are affiliate programs that are free to join but offer MLM benefits that would be interesting.
However, for such a program to work the product needs to be good and competitively priced. There are certainly MLMs out there that one can join for free and earn money off of getting others to join and pay for something. But usually there is nothing worth paying for so you simply build a pyramid of people who aren't buying anything.
What is the program you started in 1998 ? Is it still going ?
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# Posted: 2 Oct 2009 15:46
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Agreed,
Before any free MLM will work, you have to offer true verifiable value and be a product or service that millions will be interested in. One such program is TamPogo which is cost free, plus offers verifiable value with lowest prices on the internet, and they are just now ramping up with thousands of products about to be added now that beta testing is near complete.
TamPogo is MLM, but simple MLM, not the usual complex plans which takes a lot to understand for most, and I like that. It is all about big numbers, so it is not the usual get rich quick deal with all the money hype, it is a get rich slow business which requires vision. Simply put, it is Amazon and Walmart with Social Media being added to drive it forward with viral marketing. Everyone wants to save money in a recession, so timing is everything, plus the savings are significant on what they have already, so worth registering for free to see and get updated. Purchase option is there to open up commission qualification, but it is only required once every six months banking on the fact everyone will sooner or later see the savings they can realize.
The latest which is just being offered to existing affiliates is the most interesting I have researched in the past decade. I like technology, I like exclusive offerings and I like to save money. With hundreds of millions of people having cell phones, imagine if you could access a local dial tone on your cell phone from all over the world and able to make calls to anywhere in the world for a fraction of your current cellular phone costs, and you don't need to purchase a new phone or change plans. Now that is value, convenience, and simple to share with others, no selling required.
Sinice it is new technology, exclusive, saves money, no cost, no purchase, no web site fees or back office costs, and as a bonus a fully blown social media site like MySpace, FaceBook and YouTube all in one, and also free, this is the one which has viral power as people always want to share a good deal, and when you can demo your own cell phone with a simple touch of a button and your prospect hears a dial tone, they are amazed. This is worth checking out. I am saving almost $100. a month with both VOIP and COIP which is Cellular Over Internet Protocol network. And if that were not enough, it is worldwide out of the gate.
Success to all, Mike
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# Posted: 2 Oct 2009 15:51
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Sorry, missed your last question. No, it was a short term affiliate program specific to the lease and finance industry, but it grew to nearly 10K in less than a year, but like most affiliate programs, they cannot be sustained like MLM can if you have all the right components. Affiliate programs all have a short life span as I have researched, in fact, who can name one which has been around for more than a couple years?
Success to all, Mike
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# Posted: 2 Oct 2009 20:44
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The cell phone thing sounds interesting
where can i find out more info ?
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# Posted: 22 Oct 2009 14:15
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I just joined the website and I have to say, I am very impressed with the content and quality of this post...Anyways, I am extremely glad that I read this because my mother-in-law is trying to get me to sign up with market-america. I have searched there website and found it to be great but the whole problem is just as the author said. They want $500 to join and you have to buy atleast $50 in product a month to remain a member. How does that benefit me? On top of that you have to get people under you to make any money back...oh goodie. I recently started my quest as an affiliate and I also agree with points made about that. There's no upfront fees and no limitations. The most money you have to spend is wrapped up in your advertising, that is, if you want to spend any on it. There's so many free advertising websites out there, blogs, twitter, etc. that you don't even need to spend any money at all. Ok, enough is enough, overall A+ article. Thanks!
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2009 08:31
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No matter which way you look at it , if you do MLM or Affilliate Marketing(personally I think MLM is affiliate marketing on steroids!) you need to learn how to do thing you say when yo say Affilliate MARKETING or Multi Level MARKETING
Ill say it again....MARKETING!
You need to learn MARKETInG to have long term success.
Without these skills you will fail. All the best affilliate marketers and mlm'rs are MASTER MARKETERS.
I doubt would hear any say "There's so many free advertising websites out there, blogs, twitter, etc. that you don't even need to spend any money at all."
Quite the opposite i imagine.
He who has the most leads wins the game !!!
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2009 13:22
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Shaun,
Let me clarify about the comment I made about "free advertising". It is free because when you sign up you don't pay anything to let someone know about your link or whatever. It doesn't cost me a dime to get my link on this website. Just like with twitter. If I go on there and I start chatting with people, I'm friendly with people which gets there trust. In turn I say something like "hey check out this link, are these people for real?" This gets sign ups for the things I'm markeing and its free. There is no ppc, no google adwords/keywords. Just simple marketing that works.
I guess in a way though when it comes down to it, my time is money so it isn't neccessarily free. But no monetary expenses come from it.
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2009 18:43
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Hey Chris
YOur right about links on twitter etc
And you are right about your time.....may i recommend outsourcing some tasks to save you time and maximise your profits !!
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2009 20:28
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busoppreviews: The cell phone thing sounds interesting where can i find out more info ?
1ButtonToWiFi.com is company web site where VOIP-COIP.com is explained by simply watching videos. No cost distributorship is rare in the industry, and in addition, you also receive a full blown social media site like MySpace, FaceBook and YouTube, all at no cost, nothing comes close in all my years of researching industry, and I have seen it all.
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2009 20:42
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One thing to consider re : phones
How to direct traffic to the site and stand out amonst all the others who promote the same site ???!!!
Marketing Knowledge thats how.!!
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2009 21:40
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shaun: You need to learn MARKETInG to have long term success. Without these skills you will fail. All the best affilliate marketers and mlm'rs are MASTER MARKETERS.
amen and amen!
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2009 22:25
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glad you agree mountaimom5
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# Posted: 25 Oct 2009 00:06
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Shaun,
As days go by I realize more and more how short they really are. You are right in saying that I should outsource some things to save time. There really has to be a fine balance though, depending on the market you are in and what kind of advertising you do.
Thanks for the tips...good luck all...
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# Posted: 25 Oct 2009 02:36
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Chris ironically Ive found that the more automated your systems are the more human contact you can give where it counts! Also this way you spent more time on the activities that get you paid instead of the drudgery like doing presentations or sending emails and so on.
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2009 08:12
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Shaun,
What sort of automated systems are you talking about, auto-responders in emails? I'm not sure what you are into that is extremely automated. I mean there's only so much you can automate when it comes to affiliate marketing. You still have to go out there, find products, set yourself up with an account with clickbank, get a domain, foward the domain with your hoplink, etc. Now, there are some steps that help you find products like using cbengine.com and google alerts to tell you all the new products on the market. But what else really is there?
I guess it all depends on what type of affiliate marketing you are into I suppose. Recurring billed products and services are definately more automated as far as the money coming in goes. So if this is what you are talking about then I understand, but if not, then I may be lost.
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2009 17:02
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Im refering to the whole sales funnel. Yes I have an auto responder but I dont have to find products, I certainly dont use clickbank, I dont forward domains. People apply to do business with me then they are taken through an automated system to make the sale. This levl of automation enables me to just deal with serious people and weeds out tyre kickers. SO MUCH of my time is saved its unbelievable compared to how I used to do business.
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2009 17:16 · Edited by: shaun
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Actually Chris just reading your post made think AHHH Too Hard !!
Recurring billing is the way to go. Do the work ONCE and get paid over and over. Sounds like you're doing the work over and over.
Personally I prefer to work online WITHOUT dealing with traditional internet-marketing headaches of affiliate-marketing & Clickbank products...or selling those crappy e-Books. There are already too many doing that.
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2009 14:30
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Shaun,
Yes, I totally agree with you about the recurring billing. Right now I am in the process of picking some websites I am going to advertise my affiliate products on. I don't have a lot of cash to start due to a skeptical wife (ha), but I think the best way to affiliate market is to advertise on high traffic sites where you know you are going to get the sales. Do you have any advice or expertise on that specifically?
Hope to hear back soon.
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2009 14:44
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Agreed,
The whole reason MLM is attractive is because there is a degree of automated growth, where in an affiliate deal, it is a one time commission in most cases. With the merger of MLM and affiliates programs becoming more common, I see a future in this strategy just as I saw it a decade ago when I had concept to have multi tier affiliate plan.
As we all, know, it is all about repeat business, no matter what business you are involved in, repeat business is where you succeed or fail. Few will have enough time and resources to capture enough new customers each month to succeed, you have to have a business where there is a repeat sale every week, month or year as I see it.
I built several traditional businesses focusing on referrals and repeat business, and it works perfect for any business. When I shifted away from traditional businesses, and went full time with online marketing, the same rules apply, referrals and repeat business are most important, even when you can reach more online, you still need referrals and repeat business as I see it or you will not grow your business to maximum potential.
I research only recession proof businesses that everyone saves money and for those who want to make extra money, the opportunity is there, although not hyped like most deals are. If you can create a loyal customer who is saving money on what they are already purchasing elsewhere, then you have a residual income every month on each customer. And if they are saving money and are happy with quality, convenience, customer service, etc., they will refer others even without the income opportunity. When you combine the above attributes, now you have a long term income opportunity.
It is not rocket science, it is back to basics, save people money, provide a quality product or service and deliver, people will stay loyal to you, and how many companies really offer any verifiable savings over the competition? I have researched this to death, and if there are a handful of companies offering true value, that is it. I am amazed at this, but think about it, if you are pumping a clickbank same old same old deal millions of others are also promoting, how is the world are you going to make a long term income with this burned out strategy?
All the so called secret niche ebooks out their being pumped by the so called guru's is almost funny, they rotate testimonials back and forth every other month, so as I see it, if you cannot figure this out, then you will throw away a lot of money on these affiliate deals as I did until I saw what was going on. I won't name them all hear, but the same dozen names pop up as testimonies on each others deals, over and over again, so you tell me, how is the average affiliate marketer going to make any real money with the industry dominated by the guru's?
I have seen it all, and in my research have spent a ton of money and time, and no doubt in my mind, affiliate marketing is dying off fast, and the reason why more are going with multi tier strategies now, even if two tier, it is far better than one given market saturation and everyone blowing money on PPC wars. lol A niche is like finding a needle in the haystack these days.
I love the wireless mobile industry, why, everyone has a mobile phone, billions worldwide and growing, yet how many are making money off this most profitable of all telecom products? We all know VOIP is the future of telecom and landlines are on steep decline, and now you can combine VOIP with COIP, Cellular Over Internet Protocol specifically for wireless, and as company just went from affiliate to MLM, this is what I look for in a business today.
Transfer buying is my focus, and this is the future of industry, offering true verifiable savings to the masses which become repeat buyers and happy to refer others even without the income opportunities. And when you combine free business opportunity, no obligations to purchase every month, plus true verifiable savings with an unlimited income opportunity, this becomes viral, and that is what I have wanted for years, and now, it is finally happening.
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# Posted: 30 Oct 2009 06:09
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Hi
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Im surprised your not also int ACN for phone internet voip etc plus directv
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# Posted: 30 Oct 2009 18:17 · Edited by: FREEBUSINESSES
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shaun: Im surprised your not also int ACN for phone internet voip etc plus directv
Why would anyone go for $500. up front, it never made sense to pay to play.
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2009 13:41
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I totally agree with that on reccuring billing, I am using webinars and creating a total system right now which is going to just be the turbo-charger on the team that we already have building down here in Naples, FL I am now planning my website (bestboss4meisme.com) to actually on a billing basis allow access to all my webinar presentations and then further a good friend also offered the advice, save people money and offer a month even free when they prepay, you gain capital to further your business and systems and also they save money, win win!
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