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#21 · Posted: 9 Jun 2007 18:03
My personal opinion, and I know not many will agree, but I think there is a difference between the words MERGER and ENDORSEMENT.
We have yet to hear of a MERGER cause it might be an ENDORESEMENT, like the Coastal Travel Agent Card endorses, but is not associate with the company.
So... we wait til Tuesdays big show.
And personally I think it's a good thing to do, and I look forward to having more travel products, and more service related travel items in my mix that I can make money on and sell to eager businesses and consumers who want a good deal.
I think the biggest battles here in these forums is just what I call.. "Territorial" some want only Coastal discussion, some want to know how they all relate and cross polineate and promote.
In the end, it changes the business models some, but give people more options and should be a good move.
But we have yet to hear an answer on seller of travel services licensing, etc... I was told we are under Rusty's umbrella IATA # so we don't need individual seller of travel licenses.. but is that his OPINION or what a local governement man would say?
Its hard to take the risk to find out, until we know more.
Jeff
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#22 · Posted: 9 Jun 2007 18:05
And .... When Did Al Romine become the owner of Coastal? Some phantom corporation on some secret island owns it.... 
or maybe Aliens do...
or maybe I do? <wink>
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#23 · Posted: 9 Jun 2007 20:02
Hiya Jeff
I knew it....I knew you were behind coastal Jeff
Maria
I agree, merger and endorsement are 2 different things....we will just have to wait for the details.
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#24 · Posted: 9 Jun 2007 23:36
Hello Everyone,
I also believe we should make sure that the plug is the boat before we set sail with the Funtime venture ie.. (licensing)
I do have a question for all the Coastal gurus out there
Exactly how much $$$$ a month is a realistic amount to spend for a GREAT return per month.
If $300 a month will buy just ONE sale aren't we still profiting?
no matter what level package is bought.
Also, even if we didn't want to promote Funtime can't we use the leads to promote Coastal?
Jeff, I read where you speak about voiceshot somewhere on this forum --- how much of an investment will a system such as this cost and do you use a system like this?
Thanks to everyone for all the information ya'll give out in this forum.
Cindy
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#25 · Posted: 9 Jun 2007 23:57 · Edited by: goldmills
Cindy, that is the wrong question to ask, and where most people fail and don't know.
So let me help you.
Start with YOUR budget first. How much can you spend on your business expenses per month? How much could you keep spending month after month with no return? A good window is 6 months of budget with no return.
Why I ask this? cause it is the truth and the only way you'll ever be able to see if you can do this, based on how much YOU can spend.
No one method is exactly the same results, for the same costs.
Look LONG term, WAY long term. It could take you 12 months to be in profit, 2 up qualified and all sales and marketing paid for.
What method will you use to get your message in front of as many people as possible, with as little cost as possible, so you can focus in on the most qualified people to spend you time with, so that you close as many sales as possible?
That is the million dollar question that we constantly answer daily, cause it ALWAYS changes.
Marketing is all about knowing the needs of people and matching those needs with our solution to their problems.
You can always conform to the lowest common denominator too.
But... Do you want to live as a slave to your phone and call leads all week and fear leaving your house cause one might call you back while you are in the bathroom or something?
This does work for a few, but not many, they cannot sustain the hours and volume it takes.
This is basically what OTHER systems out there teach you, and I think it's crap cause it aint duplicatable by the masses. The reality is... everyone needs a custom plan, that fits their custom mindset, that fits thier marketing blueprint for allowing them to have fun and enjoy a profit, using proven marketing methods. Then, over time, you will see predictable results, once you dial into your system.
So how am I doing so far? Do I sound encouraging yet?
Here is the bottom line.
Grow thick skin
become a student
then become a teacher at the same time by being an implementor
never give up
never think you have it all figured out
try to always innovate
try to always give value
Learn from your director (me) and follow advice from them, call them, bug them, instant message them till you get where you want to go. (but understand I have a life too!
You can use funtime's leads how ever you want, all I hear people talking about is ..."YOU GET 40 THOUSAND LEADS.. YIPPY SKIPPY"
I have not heard anyone tell how any of those 40K leads converted yet... so my jury is still out on how effective they are as email leads.
How much data do they give you?
How fresh are they?
Are they exclusive or shared with 50 other funtime reps in hopes that you all don't find out and first to market with the list wins?
Voice shots are .12 a minute to call per lead. Some are cheaper, I like Peter at Hyperdialer.com he sets it all up for you, $100 for 1000 calls or $150 for 1000 leads and 1000 calls, hoping you get 20-30 interested in call backs.
You can spend $150 on pay per click and get 100 clicks, and only 4 leads for that same $150 spend.
So... if you only had $150 to spend, what would that one method be that get's you the most leads, who are the most qualified for the money. This is where a good sponsor and experience come in.
But that is not the big deal, the big deal is the SYSTEM you use to robotically and elegantly follow up with that lead so they get info and then get closed.
You have to be willing to do WHATEVER it takes ultimately to get a sale, even crawl across the floor over broken glass to get er done.
If you don't have that success mindset, you have failed before you try.
It is not hard to get, it does take practice and skills development, and any one can have it if they just take the time to get educated about it and just do it.
Jeff
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#26 · Posted: 10 Jun 2007 01:12
Thanks Jeff for all your helpful information.
Susan
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#27 · Posted: 10 Jun 2007 02:06
Thanks again Jeff for your insight and good advice
I think I understand
(my)Budget
Find best method to get my message out to the most prospects
Plug them ALL in
Focus on most qualified
Grow thicker skin
Be a good student, always get an answer
Become a great leader
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP!!!
Cindy
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#28 · Posted: 10 Jun 2007 07:14
Jeff, bottom line is you have to be a good closer.
I worked at selling cars and we would warm up the prospect and than we were told we HAD to than turn them over to the "CLOSER"!
That's were a lot of people fail, get yourself the best "closer" and you got sales...
Or be your own closer if you are good at it.
Terri
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#29 · Posted: 10 Jun 2007 20:53
Quoting: wapahm Exactly how much $$$$ a month is a realistic amount to spend for a GREAT return per month.
This really depends on you. I've invested over $15K per month and I've spent less than $150 per month when I was first getting my Coastal biz going.
CHANGE is something you've also got to consider. Everything changes. What worked in 1989 (ie Fax on Deman) doesn't work anymore....well, it works, but who is going to pull a fax?
Track Record: You've got to have a track record if you want to play with the big boys! You might see this as being a bit forward, but people want to work with Success....Teams are one way to do it.
Here's what's missing from most teams. Individual Coaching from a top income earner.
Just my nickel.
Jay NaPier
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#30 · Posted: 11 Jun 2007 00:02
Quoting: jnapier Here's what's missing from most teams. Individual Coaching from a top income earner.
Yes, Jay... I agree with you entirely.. but while I think it is VERY important to work with someone you "gell" with.. I think it very unfair to new Coastal Entrepreneurs to state that when you join with a "top income earner" your success is more assured. I think everyone starts SOMEWHERE- and we are all serious, that have made success with our businesses to date.
I am relatively new to Coastal.. I have followed my teams system and garnered more then a 6 figure income in 10 months. I have just had a lady be released in 3 weeks, with 3 profit sales as well.
I'm NOT a "top income earner" in Coastal.. but I am someone who is serious about my business and serious about the people I work with. Also, I must note that I have several team members who have joined MY team after signing on with other "top income earners" who just did not have the TIME to devote to personalized attention that is required.
Now, having spent the time that I have with YOU, I realize that you DO have the time freedom that most "big name marketer" directors simply DO NOT. I think Jay, that you are an exception to the rule, and that most of us who have top engine rankings simply DO NOT have the time with all the sign ups we get!
I can't speak for you, but I find my balance by carefully selecting the team members I choose to work with from the get go. But I think the tendancy TENDS to be.. get as many sign ups as possible, set them loose in a system and see how rises to the top of the pile. I personally, think it sad that some good people lots of potential get lost in the fray... but each to his own.
I know when I was looking for a director, it was important for ME to find someone successful ENOUGH to "know the ropes" but NOT so busy as to use team forum training and total system dependancy....I personally KNOW that the directors I have released have great talent and potential.. I would never think that because they haven't yet made that blessed 6 figure income that they CAN'T show others how to be as successful as they want to be! I don't want to run around stealing sales from them just because they are new to the business and DO NOT have the "top of the pile" status behind their name- but if they have a success story and solid skillset- then they can teach duplicability, which IS the all important peice that SOME of the larger groups do miss. We ALL start SOMEWHERE! Its what we learn and can pass on to others that is truly important and the passion behind our fire. Do you think that my team member who has got her release and in profit already is someone that has any less talent to share that anyone else? I DO NOT THINK SO!!!!!! She told me that she "named it and claimed it" that is the ATTITUDE of a WINNER. I showed her what I know, plugged her into the system, she followed religiously and VOILA! Success story. She will continue to win, I have NO DOUBT she will BE a "top income earner" in record time, and my dearest hope is that she gets exactly out of this business what she wanted when she started it. She is without a doubt, 100% on track. I WISH they were all like that.. but that is another story. As I go along in the business, I am refining my "sorting" skills, lets just say that!
Its a tough balance to acheive, really.. my success can NOT determine anothers.. and yet I DO have something to teach if they are willing and ABLE to listen and PLUG IN! I don't teach or preach anything I do not do.. its all about their WHY and God given entrepreneurial talent at day's end.
Just my .02!
Jani Teeter
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#31 · Posted: 11 Jun 2007 07:44
I too built a 6 figure income with 2 businesses one was totally done on the internet the other by postcards, mailings and cold calling.In addition I have over 12 years experience in the travel industry, with the Hyatt corporation, Budget car rental, Forlow Tours, and studied travel agent training at IATAC.
I have seen marketing and advertising evolve from postcards and mailings to video postcards and technology that blows one's mind. And that's a GOOD thing. BUT people are still people who don't just hand over thousands of dollars to people just because they followed a "system".
People are NOT cattle and most are not followers,especially when it comes to spending thousands of dollars, so any system is just for the recruiter NOT the recruit.
Tools are important in any business, the good Director will know what Tools actually work and use the tools along with personal training one on one.
Many don't realize that Coastal has an entire training website that is FREE to use with tools and resources etc.
Terri
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#32 · Posted: 11 Jun 2007 08:13
Quoting: luvtravel People are NOT cattle and most are not followers,especially when it comes to spending thousands of dollars, so any system is just for the recruiter NOT the recruit.
I disagree. While you used the word follower...I'd choose to use the term trainee or mentee. You see, when I got started I had to learn what made Coastal different. I had to learn what worked and what didn't.
Here's where the challenge comes in Jani spoke about "TIME" and how alot of top directors are too busy to work with most people. I have had the please of getting to know ALOT of great directors with Coastal and alot of them have "teams". I've spent time with some of these teams and must tell you that the "duplicatable" system that seems to be going around in Coastal is to sell the membership and show the system....THAT'S IT.
One very upset director shared with me that their director (who is a leader who has been given a stage to speak on) didn't do most of the things that they were training on. HOLY BS Batman, what does that say for the training??????
While some directors have put themselves in a circle of influence. I've not forgotten where my team came from and made it a priority to spend time with them at events. I've also made it a priority to be approachable and to allow others to spend time with me.
When it come to being a new person with Coastal there is a learning curve. The teams I've seen come in two areas. 1) Buy leads 2) Share it all.
When it comes to the share it all approach, who's going to coach those who require assistance??
Jay NaPier
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#33 · Posted: 11 Jun 2007 08:15
Just one more thing.......
There's a direction that ALOT of Coastal Directors are going.....but they will be burned. I can tell you that they'll find that 85% of the marketing they do in that area will ONLY get them a large advertising bill.....HOW DO I KNOW???
Duh....I did it myself! And I've passed it along to my clients and team members.
NOthing like a $6000 bill for something that gets you 0 sales.
Jay NaPier
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#34 · Posted: 11 Jun 2007 08:30
Jay, you totally misread what my point was.
I am speaking of people in general BUYING I was NOT speaking of training, that's a whole different ball of wax.
I was saying that as a BUYER if I were told first you have to listen to a call than read this profile than look at this movie and than you are allowed to buy I would say bahbye, and go on to someone who will take my money and tell me why I should buy from them and not buy from their system. That's what I was speaking about, the person as a buyer.
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#35 · Posted: 11 Jun 2007 17:28
Its funny so much is being made about getting the right director. Let me tell you my story. We got in Coastal and 7 weeks later had made 10k. Shortly after that our director left the business. Now her director was none other than a CSG Co-founder. They never invited us to their group forums and as we were our directors first profit sale they as well as us were pretty much on our own. I didnt cry or bellyache about a director. A great director is an asset but there is enough info out there to do it on your own. Heck the CSG has so much training that many "orphans" have found themsleves there. Dave Heidel and Tammy Fisher left other groups and were adopted to the CSG and both are now leaders there. It really balls down to how much do you want it. If you need food on your table and you have to do what you have to do, to be honest whether you have a director or not you are going to do what you have to do. Its easier with a good director but what is a good director? Is it someone that holds your hand through everything or someone that gives you the best they can and shows you the real deal. A while back I remember a post from Jani and she talked about how much she does for her prospects. While I commend her for her efforts I dont have the time or energy to babysit anyone. They are all adults getting into business. The business world is tough and they must toughen up. Years ago I used to make calls for my team mates that worked in the daytime. Bob Biss of the CSG asked me if I was trying to build weakness in my team. When he said it I was offended but looking back none of those people did anything in Coastal so who was the fool ? I say it was me for wasting my time on someone that didnt really want their business as much as I did. It is a hard thing to swallow but this business is not for everyone. Many people drop out and are replaced. Its the way of network marketing. I say create a good system people can follow and guide them through it. Dont hold their hands just guide them. By having a good syetem it levels the playing field. Now to have a good system you have to make your business well rounded and this forum gives us all ideas and tips and strategies. Thanks for all of your help.
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#36 · Posted: 12 Jun 2007 00:21
ADAM,
would you PLEASE STOP TELLING US ABOUT THE CALL IN EVERY POST YOU MAKE!?!?! Good Grief! We get the idea!!!
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#37 · Posted: 12 Jun 2007 10:24
As I have been very strictly told not to mention the other biz opt in this forum and Vishal has graciously started a new thread where the other opportunity can be talked about those were my last post on that subject. I hope that you all can be open and share more about the systems you use so I can continue to grow my incredible Coastal business that has already propelled me to the CSG Leadership, created an amazing lifestyle for me and my family and had me featured in the HBC magazine. Ready to talk Coastal.
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#38 · Posted: 12 Jun 2007 12:33
Hello
I agree with Jani
it is important to join with someone you gel with, otherwise all the newbies would never have sales, BUT the person you are looking to join must be part of a winning group. It is not sensible to be part of a group where the blind leads the blind, there has to be a leader and head trainer with a pulse on what is happening in the market place.
The question a person looking at coastal really has, is will I have support, for how long and what kind of extra special tools/systems/services do you offer that the other groups do not...
what is your unique selling proposal?
If you can answer that (especially before it even gets asked) you will be ahead of the game.
Hope this helps
maria
PS even tho' I am with WCYS, I still close at least 80% of sales, sometimes even more outside of the call center. I give everyone an option to join as they feel comfortable. I have always wondered if the big proponents of the call centers have anyone joining outside of call centers, or if I am unique in this matter?
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#39 · Posted: 12 Jun 2007 13:13
Maria,
I don't market anything but the call center but if someone wants to join without the call center I will surley sign them up.
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#40 · Posted: 12 Jun 2007 14:34
when I joined coastal in April, 2004, my sponsor introduced me to CSG.
Then he promptly left the state and I never ever heard from him since.
I was orphaned, I sat on my package for two months and did not know how to activate it and send in an app or use a voucher to go on a trip.
I could have easily looked at my kit, saw a conf # and dialed it and asked, but I was too chicken.
So, what did I do, I do what business people do, I found a way.
I found someone online, called them asked if they'd spend 4 minutes with me explaining what I needed to do and they did.
I called other coastal directors, including Julie Shinew and spent time and money, at my own expense to learn the product and learn the systems, by traveling all over America to meet them and learn from them.
Then I willed into existence that I would be the best, be different, and help people.
I learned from many of the leaders here who are on this forum how to do this, we all learn from each other.
I did not have a good director, but I had a GOOD HEART and I was hungry and I would not take "I don't know" for an answer and I went out and got answers, sought our mentors, invested $1000's upon $1000's on getting specialized knowledge, and now, I freely give it to my team so they can do with it, what they want.
So I understand some arguements are for "Watchout who you join with"
And I understand "where there is a will, there is a way" and your director does not matter one stitch.
Some of the strong recommendations about "right director" are to create bonds where leads will feel YOU are the right director, it is part of the marketing process cause that is what we know prospects want to hear.
In the end, the strength of your good or bad directors training is not in their training or systems, but in your ability to show up, get up, put up and then put out and do the work.
It's all about what's inside of you and if you are willing to do what it takes to get people where they want to go and to do what successful people do in terms of marketing and advertising.
I close many of my own sales, cause they call me, and they want a system, sure, I like a true leveraging system, the kind entrepreneurs use, not a JOB system, where a person has to do it all and rely on uplines who are non existent.
While others want the upline training dependence system.
In the end, systems help but it's the "mindset" one needs to have where they know what they really want in life.
If it's to be it's up to me. But I also 'get by with a little help from my friends'
Jeff
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