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theberlins
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#21 · Posted: 26 May 2008 15:48
BMarley,
We've been trying to find reviews like this that might show if it is worth the money or not. Is there a way that you could email it to us? Our email is [email protected]. Thanks so much!
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Quasind
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#22 · Posted: 27 May 2008 14:59
bmarley,
I have heard some good about that HHO, but more bad. I would like to give it a crack without the $49 gamble. If you are still sharing the information I would be very interested. If I can get it to work, I would be glad to return the favor and update you. If you are an optimist, save your original plans!
Thanks [email protected]
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chefkrys
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#23 · Posted: 27 May 2008 15:29
Hey, I have been trying to talk my husband into converting our car too. I am so glad I read all your reviews on that system. If one of you could send me the manual, I agree with member M1733 maybe we could all work together and make this thing actually work. My email is [email protected].
Thanks so much, Krys
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yomomma
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#24 · Posted: 27 May 2008 22:22
BMarley
sounds interesting... i'm interested in the manual a well.... [email protected]
thanks!!
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lew
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#25 · Posted: 28 May 2008 00:24
Wish you were all just kidding! This can not work because he law of conservation of energy states that the total amount of energy in any isolated system remains constant but cannot be recreated, although it may change forms, e.g. friction turns kinetic energy into thermal energy. In thermodynamics, the first law of thermodynamics is a statement of the conservation of energy for thermodynamic systems, and is the more encompassing version of the conservation of energy. In short, the law of conservation of energy states that energy can not be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.
Also, turning the alternator certainly takes energy from the engine- it has a clutch and also has resistance to turning equivalent to the draw of electical energy that depends on how depleted the battery is and what electricity using components are in use.
Please do not waste your time or money, but do:
1) Keep your tires adequately inflated
2) keep the engine tuned
3) drive conservatively
4) make efficient use of car trips
5) carpool
6) use public transportation
7) bike or walk short distances.
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mccartycustoms
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#26 · Posted: 29 May 2008 17:51
Hey all out there!
Has BMarley sent the manual to any of you?? Cause he sure hasnt to me. Anyway, if anyone has gotten it, i'd love to see it too. Thanks to all. [email protected]
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doctechnical
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#27 · Posted: 30 May 2008 15:12
Putting additional load on the electrical system most definitely puts additional load on the engine. Try this simple test - when your car is warmed up, parked and idling, turn on the headlights on high. Listen to the tone of the idle (or look at your tach), you'll hear/see the revs drop just a little as the headlights put an additional load on the alternator and therefore the engine. Turn the lights back off, the revs go back up.
The problem with this "run the car on water" scam is that the Second Law of Thermodynamics hasn't been repealed. You can change one form of energy to another, but you can never achieve a 100% efficiency.
So the engine converts chemical energy (from gasoline) into mechanical energy, the alternator converts mechanical to electrical, this gadget they're selling plans for converts electrical back to chemical (electrolysing water to crack out the H2) and then the engine converts H2 back into mechanical. And every step of the way you lose a little efficiency.
If this did work you could make a perpetual motion machine out of it.
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VBGuy
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#28 · Posted: 31 May 2008 13:46
I agree w/ lew in that the laws of conservation and energy clearly state that you cannot get more energy out than you put in to a closed system. However, most of the potential energy in gasoline is not used durning the combustion process. The introduction of HHO gas into the fuel mix MAY increase the amount of energy that is extractable from the gasoline through chemical and/or physical interaction with the fuel air mixture.
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botswanajohn
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#29 · Posted: 31 May 2008 15:13
Doctechnical has made the best comment so far. The Second Law of Thermodynamics is what would seem to be violated, which simply stated could be summarised as 'You can't get something for nothing'. Using the power of the engine to produce gas to power the engine would be a non-starter if that was the only thing that were happening.
But no-body has commented on the use of waste heat from the engine to to help the process of splitting the water. If this is the case then savings can be made. Do these new systems make any use of waste heat? does anybody know?
Reusing waste heat makes a lot of sense. Back in the 1970's (the last fuel crisis) many people drilled a hole in the inlet manifold and connected it with a pipe to a bag of water. The venturi effect in the inlet manifold drew water into the engine which was vaporised by the engine heat thereby converting the engine to run as a partial steam engine.
I would suggest that this is what is really happening with these conversion kits. In other words forget all the hype about hydrogen power and recombining water molecules and just convert your car much more simply to run as a steam engine.
Has anybody any idea how modern electronic engine management systems cope with with extra fuel in the inlet manifold? It seems to me that it would upset it.
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VictoriaNTC
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#30 · Posted: 31 May 2008 15:32
Yesterday I asked my ex, because I am writing an article for a similar product, Years ago he had installed similar home made contraptions in his sports cars with great success.
Victoria
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M1733
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#31 · Posted: 31 May 2008 18:48
I have not received anything from bmarley as yet. Anybody else?
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VBGuy
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#32 · Posted: 1 Jun 2008 09:38
botswanajohn also makes a good point. For this to work properly you must lean out the fuel mix; which is a pretty easy thing to do on older cars with carburetors. (How much? you'll have to experiment.) Watch your engine temp though, leaning the fuel mix can cause the engine to over heat. The HHO gas is supposed to counter act this.
I found this site which gives a basic idea of how to make a HHO (a.k.a. Brown's gas, hydroxy, Oxyhydrogen... etc) for your car. http://waterpoweredcar.com/hydrobooster2.html. It seems pretty straight forward. They are also selling kits (I am NOT endorsing them and know nothing about them, so buyer beware)
Hope this helps anyone interested. As always, be safe if you build one of these. The gas is very flammable and you should NEVER attempt to store it. This is why it's created on demand. I've read it can explode when stored since it carries its own oxidizing agent.
Lastly, all the information here I got from various internet sources in my own search into HHO as a fuel additive for increased fuel economy. I treat any information on the internet with skepticism and as suspect. I encourage you to do the same. Be careful and cautious. I'm making no claims, sales or assertions.
That said; I plan on building one and testing it on a '91 Chevy 350 with EFI (throttle body injection). I'll let you know how it goes... (I hope this works) Regards...
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JamesMorse
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#33 · Posted: 1 Jun 2008 23:56
Thanks for the Info looks like I would have lost $50
Seems to the the 100% hho powered car would for the most part be an electric Internal Combustion Engine. Basicly you use
batterys that you charge on off times to cook water to hho to run your vehicle.
I'm thinking for a water/gas hybrid vehicle I may use a separate battery charged via a solar panel mounted on the roof that way I wouldn't have to mess with the
alternators regularity. 
Here's some fun Ideas for independent power in a vehicle
wind turbines on the roof.
Peizoelectric material in the shocks or tires of the vehicle
(pressure creates an electrical charge).
Solder a wire to the hot car chassis and to an insulated cold plate on the bottom of the car to produce an electrical charge.
Put a water tank on top of the car and drain the water out to a
hydroelectric generator.
I got more but they get a little wierd, lol 
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mm6148
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#34 · Posted: 3 Jun 2008 18:44
Hey B. Marley
I will like to give it a try. I'm good with mechanics. Please send me a copy at [email protected]
Thanks,
MM
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skip4286
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#35 · Posted: 3 Jun 2008 20:41
im looking at this, and would like to see if it worth the money.
i work on trains, and ive seen all types of prints and drawing.
send it to [email protected]
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VBGuy
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#36 · Posted: 4 Jun 2008 19:07
i found some free plans http://www.hhoshop.com/photos.php They look pretty good.
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shorty
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#37 · Posted: 5 Jun 2008 07:43
There is pritty good explenation how to make your own fuel cell: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kqL5Sur7LtE
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RushMan
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#38 · Posted: 7 Jun 2008 17:35
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happysam
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#39 · Posted: 8 Jun 2008 22:28
Dear Marley,
You said you're willing to share the runyourcaronwater plans for free. Well, I'm interested to have a look at it.
Please could you e-mail the plans to my address ASAP at [email protected] ?
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Aspire
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#40 · Posted: 9 Jun 2008 07:47 · Edited by: Aspire
bmarley: I got scammed...... I just bought the plan at http://www.runyourcarwithwater.comI must say that hwat on those plan can't be made form your local hardware store. it is not well detail and explained.
I bought the same plans. Yes they are rather complex with hand drawn pictures.
What surprised me is that I found the finished product on E-bay. Type in "Hydrogen Fuel Cell" and there are heaps that come up. For the exact unit in the plans I downloaded have a look at
Link
Re: If they work or not.... The only way I will be able to tell is if I build one and test it myself of which I intend to do. I obviously have an interest in this re my signature links.
The technology is 40 years old and there have been interesting results logged on YouTube.
I have a couple of thoughts re car manufacturers not adopting this in a big way if it works... For starters if they build vehicles that reduce the amount of fuel used by 40% there would be thousands of governments around the world that would have a problem.
Our Federal Government here in Australia is toying with the idea of reducing sales tax on fuel sales by 4 cents a litre and they report that this will mean billions of dollars in lost taxes that would have to be obtained from increasing taxes elsewhere. This is not a "Win - Win situation"
Fuel will continue to get more expensive - can not stop it - World demand is starting to exceed oil production.
Only when we have run out of oil will the car companies fully embrace alternative fuel supply. To bow to public demand they are stopping all large engine production - building 6 cylinder engines that only use 4 cylinders until you push your foot flat to the floor.
GM have just announced that production will be starting on an Electric / petrol Hybrid for city driving next year.
I am very passionate about this - If I can get a Hydrogen cell to work in conjunction with my own products, I could eventually get close to 50 % savings if it works...
Paul
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