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makemoneyonline
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#21 · Posted: 11 Mar 2007 15:31
Quoting: rommo His landing page is one big marketing gimmick. Full of half truths and misleading information.
How can you say this... YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BOUGHT THE PROGRAM! Everyone else here has had success with it... so don't start bashing profit lance until you've actually purchased it and tried it.
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dimave
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#22 · Posted: 11 Mar 2007 17:37
What I find amusing about rommo's review is that in essence he is saying, "the sales page looks like UWP so therefore I don't like it, its got to be a scam". He is also saying, "because it contains standard marketing techniques (like those covered by Cialdini in his famous persuasion book) therefore its a gimmick and not for real". Hardly a review.
I have never ever seen any body else do a review of a product based on the sales page, firstly, and secondly I have never found any one else judge a product on account of the similarity of its sales page and style to that of another product.
I do actually agree that the profit lance sales page can be made a lot better, because the product is really good and it deserves a better sales page. Its way above the other products so it should not appear to be the same as them from the sales point of view. I have that criticism.
But I lost trust in rommo's review as soon as I noticed him quoting cialdini's book. If rommo's ever had experience in marketing, he would have known that there are standard marketing strategies that are used the world over by all good marketers and that cialdini is a standard marketers handbook. All successful Marketers apply the principles in cialdinis book and rommo is finding fault with marketers for applying cialdinis book.
Because rommo appears to be on some sort of vendetta (judging from his other posts) I personally wouldn't place credibility in his review in this instance.
Also one other issue I have is rommo is not impartial and free from bias. Because he has adsense on his blog, he is clearly in it for the money and he's obviously looking for free traffic from this thread.
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#23 · Posted: 11 Mar 2007 18:36
amen to that Dimave.
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#24 · Posted: 11 Mar 2007 22:40
Quoting: dimave Also one other issue I have is rommo is not impartial and free from bias. Because he has adsense on his blog, he is clearly in it for the money and he's obviously looking for free traffic from this thread.
Exactly my point earlier. He is a hypocrite.
Rommo - Post when you have bought the product and reviewed it.
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OnlineMoney24 7
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#25 · Posted: 12 Mar 2007 01:11
dimave - couldn't said it better if i tried.
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knicky
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#26 · Posted: 12 Mar 2007 07:44
The bottom line is, I have gone from no knowledge of affiliate marketing, to being decently educated, in a very short space of time. All from following the structured projects in profit lance. (Even though I've only made about $0.20 from AdSense to date lol.) I don't care about that though. The most pleasing aspect for me is - I now have the confidence to start building my own website, and the tools I need to drive traffic to it. I think its well worth investing in.
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#27 · Posted: 13 Mar 2007 09:26
Quoting: makemoneyonline Initial sign up cost: $67 dollars and thats all you have to pay. 2. it works anywhere. I'm in canada.. it doesn't matter. 3. Adwords costs depends. I spend 10 dollars a day and make over 100 in return. 4. Regular updates!
Thanks makemoneyonline.
Does the Profit Lance system actually explain fully the why's and how's so that you become armed with the real knowledge required to be successful?
What I mean is, something like the below is simply not good enough
1) Search on Google Zeitgeist to find a niche, make sure it sells already -
To me this is the key, and I'd like someone to outline an in depth approch to how you narrow down to a specific niche. I realise there may not be an automatic formula here.
2) Setup some clever keywords
Keyword selection is still a mystery to me, I am aware of several techniques but most of it seems to be just trial and error. Does PL actually have any tried and tested points to make on this.
3) Watch the money come rolling in
Right, the bottom line, to me, this is where the most Bullsh@t is written. Again, what I am looking for is an indepth review on how you approach PPC etc to maximise initial costs and profit margins. I don't mind being told that you have to run some campaigns at a loss as part of an overall strategy, but I have never seen a product that really gets down to detail on this stuff.
Am I living in a dreamworld, or is this too much to ask for?
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rommo
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#28 · Posted: 13 Mar 2007 11:05
Quoting: dimave What I find amusing about rommo's review is that in essence he is saying, "the sales page looks like UWP so therefore I don't like it, its got to be a scam". He is also saying, "because it contains standard marketing techniques (like those covered by Cialdini in his famous persuasion book) therefore its a gimmick and not for real". Hardly a review.
It was a preliminary review and my impression of the sales page. I state that clearly in my post and I never said the product wasnt real. The purpose of the post was so people approach the product with caution instead of falling for his marketing tactics and buy right away.
Quoting: dimave Also one other issue I have is rommo is not impartial and free from bias. Because he has adsense on his blog, he is clearly in it for the money and he's obviously looking for free traffic from this thread.
1. Traffic is always nice. I'm sure our fellow posters here are doing the same.
2. Doesnt everyone have adsense on their blog. Would it be more noble for me to direct people to my site to sell them a product?
3. Why wouldnt I be free from bias?? What does having adsense on my blog have to do with not being free from bias? If a product is real than I'll say so. Like I said a million times I havent reviewed the product just the content of the site. You think people are paying me off for giving negative reviews. Think about what your suggesting.
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#29 · Posted: 13 Mar 2007 11:09
Quoting: makemoneyonline amen to that Dimave.
Quoting: OnlineMoney24 7 dimave - couldn't said it better if i tried.
dimave is getting commendations from the two noblest people on this forum.
makemoneyonline is an affiliate for the product while onlinemoney24 7 is marketing one of the websites he got from profit lance which in itself is a scam. Online24 7 have you actually reviewed any of the products on your bogus site or is it something you got from profit lance and have no moral issues with marketing it as long as it makes you money?
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#30 · Posted: 13 Mar 2007 13:14 · Edited by: dimave
Quoting: rommo Doesnt everyone have adsense on their blog
So the bottom line is that you are still in it for the money just like everyone else. Why did you not say that instead of making the excuse:
Quoting: rommo Doesnt everyone have adsense on their blog
Actually no they don't.
If you were so noble, I think you would be disturbed that on the same blog post you speak of other products in your reviews and class them as scams, you get adsense ads on the side directing visitors to those very same sites (and you get paid for that too).
Isn't that very moral. Within the standards of the moral framework that you are pushing here, this in itself could involve many counts of deception on your behalf. If you were so noble and concerned I am sure the level of scrutiny you apply in what you are doing would have alerted you to this fact.
There are lots of moral issues here and you are definitely not on any moral high ground so long as you making money from whatever you are doing.
I'd like to invite the rest of the participants on this thread to go and visit Rommo's blog. Then just move from post to post and take careful note of all the ads in the adsense blocks that you see. Almost every one has ads that are promoting what Ari would classify as a scam without any hesitation. I'm seeing one ad "Make £21,408 in 31 days", another one is a review site for Paid Surveys. Another ad is on getting rich through stock investment. Its a direct sales letter using what Rommo views as "marketing gimmicks" and dishonesty. Onto another page, now see "$1000 Cash in a Box". Another ad this time a review page promoting Rich Jerk and Ultimate Wealth Package. I see another one "How I earn £14,577 a week", and another one "He makes £2874 per day".
That's what makes Ari lack any credibility whatsoever, in fact its something to be laughed at.
Hold it, I can now see an ad for "Day Job Killer", and another home based business work at home review site. Just looking at the Danny's Scam Review Part II page now and guess what I can see at the top of the page at the start of the article, "Make $100,000 A Month. We will show you how to get RICH Right From Home!" Its an ad for internet million dollars. Now I can see another ad "Bugger all Cash eh? We can make you change that. Avoid the scams and make $3471 per day NOW." It goes to a rich jerk review site that promotes Rich Jerk, Forex, and Ultimate Wealth Package.
Nice one Ari.
Now if we judge by your moral framework, your whole website and every page is one big scam, so long as you are aware that these ads are on your pages and that you are making money from them. Which of course we all know that you are.
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#31 · Posted: 13 Mar 2007 15:26
Quoting: rommo makemoneyonline is an affiliate for the product while onlinemoney24 7 is marketing one of the websites he got from profit lance which in itself is a scam. Online24 7 have you actually reviewed any of the products on your bogus site or is it something you got from profit lance and have no moral issues with marketing it as long as it makes you money?
The website that I am promoting in my signature IS one of the free websites that were given to me when I joined Profit Lance. The website is basically promoting Profit Lance. I have read through the whole Profit Lance members area and have a through understanding of what it's all about. That is why I have gone ahead and decided to launch an Adwords advertising campaign with that site.
Also there is a section on that website that picks out the webs top scams. And I agree whole heartily with the Profit Lance owner that those sites are scams. And from your blogs I can see you believe they are scams as well.
So my point being, If I honestly believe that people can benefit from Profit Lance, why not promote it? Yeah I agree the sales page could use some work, and I am sure it will be updated. But I do not see what is immoral about what I am doing. I have learned some very valuable skills from Profit Lance and I would like others to join and also learn the same skills and knowledge.
A side note. Promoting Profit Lance is not the only thing I have learned to do. I have learned to promote basically any product that I would like to. I have also learned a number of different techniques on promoting products, adverstising and marketing online, and also how to find niches markets.
And I agree with dimave that if anything, you are the immoral one. The Adsense ads contradicting what you are saying in your blogs. From what I have learnt from PROFIT LANCE, there are filters for those types of ads.
Here's a quote from the owner of the site. To me it sounds like he genuinely cares about your success.
Now you might think why I have included a section on changing your thinking before learning anything about making money. Well, it is a fact that in order to become wealthy, you must change your frame of mind and your way of thinking into that of already successful people.
Becoming rich is something that originates in the mind. There is a clear difference in mindset and thinking habits between those who are rich and always attract wealth and between those besides them.
I cannot stress enough how important it is that you grasp this concept.
I strongly suggest that you read the following excellent book. Even though I have included a free electronic copy here, I suggest that you buy your own print copy of "Think and Grow Rich", a classic by Napoleon Hill, and constantly refer back to it. You can get it from Amazon.Com. Believe me, it will change your life!
The most crucial step in enriching your life, is changing what goes through your mind. You need to really appreciate this - don't ask why - you will soon realise it for yourself. I strongly recommend that you at least read through "Think and Grow Rich".
As you read through it, you will start altering your perceptions and radically changing the view you have about yourself, your abilities and your potential.
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#32 · Posted: 13 Mar 2007 15:37
Quoting: imcrazy Thanks makemoneyonline. Does the Profit Lance system actually explain fully the why's and how's so that you become armed with the real knowledge required to be successful? What I mean is, something like the below is simply not good enough 1) Search on Google Zeitgeist to find a niche, make sure it sells already - To me this is the key, and I'd like someone to outline an in depth approch to how you narrow down to a specific niche. I realise there may not be an automatic formula here. 2) Setup some clever keywords Keyword selection is still a mystery to me, I am aware of several techniques but most of it seems to be just trial and error. Does PL actually have any tried and tested points to make on this. 3) Watch the money come rolling in Right, the bottom line, to me, this is where the most Bullsh@t is written. Again, what I am looking for is an indepth review on how you approach PPC etc to maximise initial costs and profit margins. I don't mind being told that you have to run some campaigns at a loss as part of an overall strategy, but I have never seen a product that really gets down to detail on this stuff. Am I living in a dreamworld, or is this too much to ask for? Thoughts/Comments?
imcrazy - I think I have said this in other posts as well. But Profit Lance give you step by step insturctions on how to market online successfully. PL teaches you a vareity of marketing techniques, (some free and some at a cost) and yes this includes find niche markets through Google Adwords. And this is a product that gets down to the details in how to do that.
Please take the advice in this forum from people who have actually purchased PL, read through the material, and are implementing the money making techniques.
And please don't think that I am just trying to get you click on my link and make myself a commission. Feel free to purchase this product from where ever you like! And if you have anymore questions, feel free to ask!
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#33 · Posted: 13 Mar 2007 16:12
Quoting: rommo Traffic is always nice. I'm sure our fellow posters here are doing the same.
So rommo's admitted that he has come here to get traffic just like his fellow posters. This traffic he's come for can only be for making money with adsense. The ads appearing on his blog are ones he knows full well are promoting the very same specific scams he is writing about. Nice moral and noble business model. Whereas the fellow posters are promoting what they genuinely believe to be a useful product.
There is nothing wrong with promoting a product if you truly believe in it. That's what rommo can't understand.
I dislike scam artists. I also dislike self-appointed "scam-busters" who are in it just for the money like everyone else and make a pretence of morality while they are at it.
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#34 · Posted: 13 Mar 2007 17:00
OnlineMoney24 7 and dimave I honor and agree with you opinions against rommo's selfish act. Sometimes it is not all about money it is about letting other know the truth. It was this forum that really convinced me to sign up to profit lance as i could tell some reviews were just money making schemes and ones i couldn't trust. Now if i saw rommo's posts scattered all across this forum i would start to wonder whether profit lance is what it is all cracked up to be. Well i advice anyone to take what OnlineMoney24 7 and dimave have to say about profit lance and make your own decisions on rommo's views. 
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#35 · Posted: 13 Mar 2007 17:19
Thanks for all your comments.
It would be useful to see what IP address people's comments are coming from, just out of interest.
I have a little more due dilligence to do, but by tomorrow I will make my move, thanks for your help folks
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#36 · Posted: 13 Mar 2007 17:25
Just out of interest, has anybody looked at DayJobKiller? If so, how would they compare it to ProfitLance?
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#37 · Posted: 14 Mar 2007 00:16
I have day job killer. its amazing, but only if you know a lot about adwords.
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#38 · Posted: 14 Mar 2007 11:07 · Edited by: rommo
Quoting: dimave There is nothing wrong with promoting a product if you truly believe in it. That's what rommo can't understand. I dislike scam artists. I also dislike self-appointed "scam-busters" who are in it just for the money like everyone else and make a pretence of morality while they are at it.
Quoting: dimave The ads appearing on his blog are ones he knows full well are promoting the very same specific scams he is writing about. Nice moral and noble business model. Whereas the fellow posters are promoting what they genuinely believe to be a useful product.
Dont try and turn the tables on me. Anyone visiting this forum who isnt actually promoting the product can see very well what you are trying to do. It just makes you look more suspicious. Perhaps you are already promoting the product under a different member name on this forum. A common tactic when you want to make your position stronger.
And yes I am in it for the money. The whole purpose of my blog is to find a product that makes me money. Thats not a secret.
Unlike your pals "promoting what they 'genuinely believe' to be a useful product", the money I make off the ads comes from the scammers not from my site visitors.
Quoting: dimave Actually no they don't.
Actually yes they do. Except for personal blogs, 98% of blogs have either adsense or another form advertising on them.
I have said over and over again that I have yet to write a review on the product. Like I said before, no one is paying me off to provide negative reviews.
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#39 · Posted: 14 Mar 2007 12:15
I just want to thank rommo. You have inspired me to start my own blog about the times that I have been scammed. Not to mention that I have learned some neat techniques through PROFIT LANCE on how to drive traffic and promote my blog as well.
But I personal have been lured in by many sales pages in the past and forked over whatever amount they wanted. I still have that members access. And I can say that I did make a honest effort in try to carry out whatever Internet Marketing techniques the company was offering, and failed miserable.
I will also be blogging about my good experiences that I have had. And discussing what works, or has worked for me.
A side note, this will be review of programs that I have joined and put in solid effort to make it work but failed. Not a review of program sales pages.
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#40 · Posted: 14 Mar 2007 12:22
Quoting: OnlineMoney24 7 The website that I am promoting in my signature IS one of the free websites that were given to me when I joined Profit Lance. The website is basically promoting Profit Lance.
I know it is. I am currently reviewing the product. My issue with the site is that people dont know it has been created by profit lance when they click on it through adwords. I didnt know it was created by profit lance until I signed up for the program. These netsalleries sites are misleading people into thinking that the reviews are impartial. How could the information on the site be credible in any way if it was written by the person who is the owner of the number one product "reviewed" on the site? Even if you truly believe in the benefits of the profit lance system the site is still misleading.
So far I am finding that the profit lance program is quite interesting. Right now, I really only have issues with these "review" sites.
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