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wealthshare
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#161 · Posted: 19 Jun 2008 14:17
Nicholas,
Thanks for your thoughts. Here are some of mine:
1) It is crucial that you use the terms the company is promoting. This is NOT an investment, this is online advertising designed to help you promote your own website business and receive rebates for doing so.
2) The math is interesting. I am wondering if it would be beneficial to take into account not only the constant influx of upgrades but more importantly the external revenue sources that are designed to fund the rebates. I think the key here is by meeting Andy's mission of being the largest internet online advertising company in the world, that we will have corporate sponsors looking to spend billions of dollars on advertising. In this case, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that advertisers are switching from television and print advertising to online. Andy is doing all he can to create a massive group of people paid to watch these ads. As companies sales increase through this venue so will the incoming revenue dollars.
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#162 · Posted: 19 Jun 2008 14:37
Paulthu,
Thanks for your input. I appreciate the diversity of ideas here.
My ideas:
1)I have not used Alert Pay or Solid Trust Pay so I am assuming what you are saying is true. If indeed they are not charging a processing fee and ASD is, then that point needs to be clarified. Andy's goal is to minimize expenses and turn over rebates to the advertisers working hard to promote their online businesses. I certainly have had to pay credit card processing fees to other companies in the past if I chose to pay by credit card rather than paying with cash, money orders, cashiers checks etc. I would have no problem paying the fee as long as it was spelled out clearly.
2)am really sorry to hear that you felt compelled to take such drastic measures...in my mind's eye, prematurely and unnecessarily.
My question would be how much did you pay in processing fees versus how much you received in rebates to successfully build your online business? Have you tried to successfully resolve your concern with the company?
I have seen any issues that have come up in ASD handled quickly and respectfully.
3) Personally I see no reason to stress ASD financial resources with superficially unnecessary lawsuits when getting rebates of 6% weekly on my ad purchases.
I wish you well in all you do and am truly sorry you are feeling it so necessary to go as far as to file a class action suit for a few dollars when the rewards here are so phenomenal. I am wondering what you have to gain by doing so.
I also wonder if you have attended any rallies or the convention? Are you on the training calls? Are you paying attention to how many issues are being addressed? Have you ever been in a company experiencing such growth AND with such rewards to help you and others build businesses?
In a time of economic struggle I would hope most would be grateful for this incredible opportunity. Have you met or spoken with any of the people whose lives have truly been transformed through this company? Might help you to seek some of them out as I did when I first got involved.
What is it you truly want to achieve? Have you actually met Andy?
I hope you rethink your drastic reaction. I do understand your frustration and do believe your issue needs to be addressed. I would first seek to address it from within the company structure.
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#163 · Posted: 19 Jun 2008 15:11
Alert Pay and Solid Trust Pay do not charge the buyers a fee.
They charge the sellers a fee - and that is clearly stated on both sites. On alert pay they have it in small print underneath that they can also charge up 3.9% plus on certain types of business too. Even though they dont say which - we can imagine that they are talking about non physical product online businesses.
So you pay ASD or any other seller 100% they will receive less. Pay pal does the same and as I am a seller I can verify this.
So all ASD do is deduct from the amount of your purchases the charges they have had to pay. You send 100$ they receive (say) 95$ - they deduct 5 $ from your ad package purchase.
they do not make a charge themselves.
Has that cleared that one up?
I am sorry to see that someone has not read the small print on the Alert Pay and STP sites. And the Terms and Conditions of ASD.
And am even sorrier to see that people feel that they should not have to cover these charges - whilst people who send out money orders, bank wires and bank tranfers do have to pay the charges - but they pay them to the bank, and the others bear the charge made to the company who deduct it.
I would be very surprised if any legal action of that nature succeeded and think that it will waste a lot of everyones time and money and achieve nothing. It wont turn ASD into a scam.
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#164 · Posted: 19 Jun 2008 16:23 · Edited by: jgiesbrecht
Anyone know if there is a government website somewhere that lists the Medal of Distinction recipients??? I went to the NRCC website but can't find it there. And I guess the proper name for this is Congressional Medal of Distinction. This is a partisan award and given to those that support the NRCC. I don't know if a Democrat would get this award!
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#165 · Posted: 19 Jun 2008 17:51
wealthshare: Thanks for your thoughts. Here are some of mine: 1) It is crucial that you use the terms the company is promoting. This is NOT an investment, this is online advertising designed to help you promote your own website business and receive rebates for doing so. 2) The math is interesting. I am wondering if it would be beneficial to take into account not only the constant influx of upgrades but more importantly the external revenue sources that are designed to fund the rebates. I think the key here is by meeting Andy's mission of being the largest internet online advertising company in the world, that we will have corporate sponsors looking to spend billions of dollars on advertising. In this case, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that advertisers are switching from television and print advertising to online. Andy is doing all he can to create a massive group of people paid to watch these ads. As companies sales increase through this venue so will the incoming revenue dollars.
Thanks for the response. I will watch my terminology...sorry, its the banker coming out in me!
Before I go any further I am on the ASD side here and want it to succeed. I hope I was not being referred to as one of the prophets of doom!! That is not my intention. I merely seek a viable answer to my logical, mathematical questions and to date I have had none. You cannot look at the constant influx of rebates because it is based on 50% of external revenue. Rebates are internal money shifting from one piece of paper to another but are not real money over and above the actual external income of the company. So we are limited to the constant sales of more and more new advertisers be they corporate or personal. My estimation of projected necessary income of $50billion a year to satisfy even 0.1% of ad packages is a low one if advertisers are successful and do what can be done.
Again, I am not trying to predict anything or point out anything negative, just facts and figures! If they can create that kind of income I am happy to come along for the ride!
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#166 · Posted: 19 Jun 2008 17:53
bluedog24: Do you mean this in a bad way, Nicholas? Do you think it is probable that percentages could get this low, so soon?
Put it this way: I think they could go even lower if we all get to $1,000,000 in ad packages but even 0.1% per day back on $1m is nice money for old rope and you won't hear me complaining!! Not meant in a bad way at all. I do not think for a second that this is a scam or else I would not be a part of it!
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#167 · Posted: 19 Jun 2008 20:55
Nicolas, how long do you predict it will be until percentages start going down?? I don't want to bring anybody into this company, if it goes less than 1 percent on a daily basis.
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#168 · Posted: 19 Jun 2008 22:06
I am not qualified to answer that question. No one is unless they know actual sales figures apart from rebates. It is growing exponentially and if that continues I imagine it won't take long. But it's still a good way to make money even at less than 1%. I wouldn't worry too much!
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#169 · Posted: 19 Jun 2008 22:30
IMO ASD is a great opportunity. If they can generate more revenue from outside sources and use revenue from other countries (i.e. sites from Mexico and China). They might get to a sustainable level before the percentages retract. Invest smart with this. Get your initial investment out at a measured pace and wor with house money. My sponsor started with 2K and has over 75K in ad packs starting on May 2nd (he has referred 12 people).
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#170 · Posted: 19 Jun 2008 23:02
Hello All-
Just joined yesterday and made a $500.00 Ad Package purchase today. Deposited through Bank of America without any problems or fees this morning and by this afternoon was credited with $625.00 due to the current 25% bonus promotion. Everything went smooth as silk and I am very excited!
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#171 · Posted: 20 Jun 2008 01:24
This company's Business Model allows it not to go under...by paying only 50% of collected revenue it can not pay more out than it collects...
what that does mean though is that as the Payment Burden climbs exponentially, the percentage payout will decrease over time in order to keep the Rebate Program afloat - this assumes that Revenue does not keep pace (or outpace) the Rebate Program.
I believe though that at this time we are not close to that critical mass point yet...considering the company's exponential growth in membership and Ad Packages purchased, this baby will stay afloat with the current Rebate Program at least for now....
This is the perfect time to be on board and ride the success wave...I would worry more if I was Member # 1,000,001 with tens of thousands of Ad Pack Millionaires already in the system...
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#172 · Posted: 20 Jun 2008 11:07
So I joined free last night under a friend of mine (her mom os making $3000 a month!). I just go into Bank of America and buy a package?
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#173 · Posted: 20 Jun 2008 11:08
With the China site getting ready to launch soon, we will be tied to truly international grown income revenue. People, THINK BIG HERE!
As the Spanish site grows and includes the hispanic countries of the world we will also tap into other countries/continents.
Andy worked with Napoleon Hill who wrote "Think and Grow Rich" and he also worked with Dr. David Schwartz who wrote "The Magic of Thinking Big". In my last place of employment, these 2 books were required reading. I recommend you read and reread to incorporate these beliefs and ideas into your very being.
"The Law of Attraction" is also nothing new and has been revamped in several formats over the last few years.
There's a brand new book on the market by an ASD member who is tops in his field! It is called "Sales-It's That Simple". I highly recommend you carry this little book of encapsulated wisdom everywhere you go. Whenever you have 5 minutes to read, pull it out and review. These 8 simple steps will catapult you to new heights when absorbed and implemented!
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#174 · Posted: 20 Jun 2008 11:47
A few items I found found on the Webroom Call this morning:
1. Cash Out not available for next 1-2 weeks or so. They are moving the Accounting/Cash Out Department to another Building and upgrading their Cash Out System
2. At the Convention, they announced they had 2 members who have become Ad Pack Millionaires!
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#175 · Posted: 20 Jun 2008 11:58
Iggy,
Thanks for the update. I was not able to get on the call and I appreciate you keeping us all informed.
Becky
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#176 · Posted: 20 Jun 2008 13:39
Well, the money that I put into the convention showed up today in my account! I'm very happy about that. Its only been 5 days. I did see the 100% match, but I didn't not see the extra 600 dollars put in that they promised if you were at the convention.
Did I miss something, and they are supposed to put that in later, or did they mess up? Just curious.
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#177 · Posted: 20 Jun 2008 13:53
they probably just messed up your 600 Ad Package and gave it to me instead...
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#178 · Posted: 20 Jun 2008 14:15
I figured that's what happened, Iggy, I just wanted to casually ask so it didn't sound too foward
Seriously though, I am a little concerned. Should I have seen the 600 dollars in there or are they putting it in later? Has anybody here seen there money yet, and not seen the 600 added?
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#179 · Posted: 20 Jun 2008 14:35
when you turned in the form to buy your ad packages, did they write on your form "600 Ad Packages"?
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#180 · Posted: 20 Jun 2008 14:36
yup.
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