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USA1950
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#121 · Posted: 18 Jan 2009 13:41
DayDreamer, I doubt that anything has changed with WFL. My upline contacted me trying to get me involved with a phone service that WFL was suppose to be offering. He made no mention of any changes for the Warranty service.
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#122 · Posted: 18 Jan 2009 16:01
Well I guess if you and your upline can't figure things out, maybe you should just move on. I don't have any problem with WFL, it's Management or anything else at this point. 
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#123 · Posted: 19 Jan 2009 16:26
USA1950: DayDreamer, I doubt that anything has changed with WFL. My upline contacted me trying to get me involved with a phone service that WFL was suppose to be offering. He made no mention of any changes for the Warranty service.
Actually, I appreciate your postings.
We need to know what's going on with these programs that make excessive claims and never come through.
Your investigative diligence serves a useful purpose.
WFL owes all those it has been promoting to an explanation.
When good folx who know, 'just move on' and say nothing, the scam grows and spreads.
Thanx again for your informative postings USA1950!
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USA1950
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#124 · Posted: 20 Jan 2009 05:18
Tjam, thanks for the response. For someone who just days ago comes out here and states:
Well, I registered and have not heard from anyone except the Thank You For Registering response. I sent email
to the company & my sponsor & nothing, nothing, nothing. Does anyone know what is going on?
DayDreamer
Then soon afterwards states:
The website is updated and up and running. He has sold 3 warranties already.
I tell him that the site has not been updated and he comes back with his remarks:
DayDreamer: Well I guess if you and your upline can't figure things out, maybe you should just move on. I don't have any problem with WFL, it's Management or anything else at this point.
My upline was one of the people putting on the webinars twice a week and I'm sure they know more about it than he does.
So Daydreamer, if you say the websites have been updated then send me your WFL URL in a private message, so that I can see for myself what changes have been made. If not, then stop coming on here spreading BS. I went and checked several ads posted on the web for WFL and they all have the same website that I have, with no changes made.
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USA1950
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#125 · Posted: 23 Jan 2009 02:48
Received an email from my upline today with an update. WFL is finished. They had over 4000 reps signed up and now it's gone. Don't expect to hear from anyone soon. Another one bites the dust........ Too bad, it had potential.
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WARRANTIES4LESS
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#126 · Posted: 5 Feb 2009 20:01
USA1950: Received an email from my upline today with an update. WFL is finished. They had over 4000 reps signed up and now it's gone. Don't expect to hear from anyone soon. Another one bites the dust........ Too bad, it had potential.
Interesting,
Well, I have not heard a peep, and I emailed a few times, so who was your upline who was doing conference calls, Bill and Mike? I work several businesses just for this very reason, you just never know which ones will fly in this deep deep recession. Big ticket items are getting hit hard across the board, so until I hear it from Scott, I am just letting it sit for now, it was one not my main focus to begin with, so time will tell.
Success to all, Mike
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USA1950
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#127 · Posted: 7 Feb 2009 10:27
It wasn't you and Mike. Another team of affiliates who sent out mailers every week to their downline keeping them informed as much as possible. Who they are is none of your concern. Just that I know I trusted them to keep me informed and that their webinars where helpful. Kathy even participated in several of them.
Just like you they are involved in other ventures which they are marketing right now.
WARRANTIES4LESS: Well, I have not heard a peep, and I emailed a few times
This doesn't tell you anything !!!!!!!! They won't even communicate with one of their Master Distributors.
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USA1950
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#128 · Posted: 8 Feb 2009 09:47
USA1950: It wasn't you and Mike
Correction : It wasn't Bill and you
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USA1950
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#129 · Posted: 11 Mar 2009 16:57 · Edited by: USA1950
Howdy folks
Been awhile since the last update. Well here is something new, just got this today...
WFL & IntelaTrader complete National MERGE - FREE RxCard "The Big Picture"
After 6 months the merge is finally complete... IntelaTrader another Terra Trust Company, has Purchased WFL with over 10,000 Affiliates... It will also complete a 2nd Merge with 27,000 Affiliates within the next 3 weeks...[/i]
Expected To Sign Up FIVE MILLION Health Benefit Clients... by making the best HEALTH CARE BENEFIT PLAN AVAILABLE for $24.95 A MONTH... ONLY TO IntelaTrader Affiliates... TO BECOME AN INTELATRADER AFFILIATE IT IS 100% FREE...[i]
It seems they merged with another company that is involved in Forex Trading. What they did with WFL affiliates was transfer their info into the new system. They are using the same platform to run this program. You will see how the WFL site is pretty much identical to the IntelaTrader site.
I found this interesting in the e-mail I got.
By the way IntelaTrader plans to offer the same WFL Warranty for 1/2 the price sold by WFL...[/i]
Now beware when looking into this. There is another company out there InteliTrader[i]. Assist is trading stocks.........
Just so you know, I haven't received any e-mails from WFL or Scott regarding this merger.......... Wonders how many millions Scott made on this sell-off of mailing list?
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#130 · Posted: 13 Mar 2009 18:29
USA1950: I found this interesting in the e-mail I got. By the way IntelaTrader plans to offer the same WFL Warranty for 1/2 the price sold by WFL...[/i]
I decided to e-mail the folks at Intelatrader to see if they intend on using the current WFL website. Here is their response:
As of right now IntelaTrader has chosen not to get involved in the Auto Warranty Business[i][/i]
Having so much fun with MLM companies. Might just find a good one some day.......
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#131 · Posted: 13 Mar 2009 19:17
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WARRANTIES4LESS
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#132 · Posted: 13 Mar 2009 22:13
Interesting,
I personally don't believe WFL is connected with Intelatrader, it looks more to me like Phil Piccolo is up to his old tricks again and stole the database as he is hiding behind another phony name of Felice Navidad on confernce call. LOL
He is an affiliate as far as I can tell at this point, just as he was when WFL rolled out. How this crook can get positioned as lead affiliate with companies is beyond me given everything he touches turns to sh*t.
I must say this though, when they offer free $100K term life insurance just for registering as a free affiliate, plus you get a free physical exam paid by insurance company, it is worth signing up as a free affiliate to see. RXCard deal are offered for free with many programs these days, I got mine from Child-Shield-USA.com which is the best card I have used to date, so I will compare them to see which is best.
With health insurance and dental coming soon, plus higher term life insurance up to $5M if you make sales of IntelaTrader, it gets interesting. No mention of warranties from anyone, so I am still trying to find out who is behind this deal? No names in back office, just an email, so we shall see, but heck, if I get free $100K term life policy out of registering, what the heck.
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#133 · Posted: 14 Mar 2009 06:24 · Edited by: USA1950
Mike
If you sign in and go to support they have an e-mail addy for Krystal Floyd. She is the person I e-mailed and was told As of right now IntelaTrader has chosen not to get involved in the Auto Warranty Business [/i]
Krystal_floyd [at] charter.net
Krystal Floyd, Customer Relations
Krystal Floyd has been acquired to head up the Customer Support for INTELATRADER. [i]
I do find it odd that WFL is refusing to contact anyone but still have their websites active. Curious, that with all the WFL sites out there that are active, wondering how many folks have signed up for warranties from these sites and the parent company is not paying out any commissions for these transactions. Keeping in mind they control the sites and can make program changes to where you will never see the transactions transpire. Something to thing about...
If Phil is involved with this outfit, rest assure the insurance offer is another scam. Be willing to bet you never get a physical exam for the insurance. All you will get are excuses why they haven't sent anyone to your home yet to perform the physical. In the mean time Phil is building himself a new mailing list to sell off to his next victim....
With the economy the way it is, who is going to shell out over 4 Grand for a program. About the only thing an affiliate will possibly be able to sell is the Health Care coverage, that's if that ever transpires.
Platinum Health & Legal Benefits with Two-Blend PPO at over 300,000 provider locations, including family physicians and specialists, throughout the United States. $24.95 monthly and covers THE WHOLE FAMILY...[i][/i]
As the old saying goes, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't"
Phil would have to use the name of a Holiday Song "Felice Navidad "
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#134 · Posted: 14 Mar 2009 07:30
Agreed,
I emailed her too, but no answer yet, but I questioned who were owners, and why Phil Piccolo is involved. Like he fell into the WFL master affiliate position, he again looks to have fell into this same position, and I also laid into them for allowing him to use alias, which is a sure sign he is trying to hide from his past.
I don't judge a program by who is promoting it normally, but he can only hurt it in my experience as he has burned so many people over the years it is just amazing how this lowlife continues. If you notice the database, these are the same people he used in a dozen other of his deals, and most are flat out worthless and never make a purchase, so I wonder what will happen when nothing happens and no sales are made, just like all his duds he brought into WFL to start.
What makes this offer worth looking at, it costs nothing to get the insurance as it is fully paid policy as I understand it, so if they pay for physical, and with so many without any health insurance, never mind life insurance, it will be easy to see if this is for real or not given it involves only a free affiliate position, no credit card info. or SS# needed, so insurance company contacts us, not whoever owns this business.
Since this was first launched in Dec., I suspect few purchases program, and as I have hundreds in FreedomRocks, and know hundreds who trade on FOREX, I asked around and could only find one who bought it, and is happy, so I am still searching for users for some feedback. You are right, in a recession, few would purchase software, but many are taking free tour to evaluate, so it will be interesting to see what comes of it after hundreds have verified it. Who knows, it could be a winner, FreedomRocks did great for me in 2007, but markets are so instable, no one knows day to day which way the market will turn.
Success to all, Mike
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#135 · Posted: 14 Mar 2009 09:08 · Edited by: USA1950
In regards to the life insurance, which I have to stay sounds interesting, the one year commitment to be an affiliate, well, what's so hard about staying active, they aren't saying to have to sell anything. But they do require that you assign 20% of the insurance payout to them in case of your demise. Haven't heard of anyone doing something like this before. Be interesting to know what Insurance company is handling this. But they also state that the insurance is not available in New York......
As far as names go:
Michael Diamond Jr
Krystal Floyd
Michael Diamond
Wait and see as usual
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WARRANTIES4LESS
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#136 · Posted: 14 Mar 2009 11:10
Agreed,
But as to owners of company, do you feel these are the owners? Yes, I heard Diamond on call, but he did not introduce himself as anything but an affiliate?
As to insurance, I heard reference to company, but given they have to stay clear of looking like they are underwriting policies, they didn't want to say name in public, but obviously, we will all know when we apply.
As to assigning a percentage over to secure policy, that makes sense, it is similar to viatical settlement policies whereby others are beneficiary, so I can see how this would provide them a solid return on initial investment into paying policies, especially for older people whereby policy would cost several thousand dollars, so a $20K return on investment is pretty attractive to an investor, even if they had to wait on it for 20 years.
Everyone wants a freebie, and if it is worth $80K to your family upon your passing, why not. The real power of the system is if it returns the results promoted, and having been in FOREX trading for years, it certainly is worth evaluating, and I imagine that is the reason for the giveaway, to get people to look and evaluate it as an affiliate. Time will tell, but I will take the free ride to see first hand if it is all true.
Success to all, Mike
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#137 · Posted: 14 Mar 2009 11:29 · Edited by: WARRANTIES4LESS
Update:
Interesting, was just contacted by a Brian Anthony indicating that Piccolo has no management position in company, but had brought many to the table as free affiliates, and as we all know with experience with Piccolo, they are mostly from his MLM losers list which he has used for leverage a dozen times that I know of, not just from WFL.
He assured me he appreciated the inside information, and as they are not MLM minded company, it was an eye opener. lol All he said was that a 100 year old global company are owners, so obviously, they must have the money to prepay these policies and have a top notch trading system, so we shall see.
Success to all, Mike
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#138 · Posted: 15 Mar 2009 22:49
I sent off an email looking into the term insurance being offered. Being that is no where being mentioned on the site yet and has only been talked about during their conference call or in email, I can only suspect that they are referring to active affiliates (1 sale qualified) who will get this insurance. Imagine 10,000 or more affiliates getting term insurance at the companies expense. I can just imagine the cost...... Seems unreal..... Company has nothing to gain to have thousands of affiliates who are not selling a thing for them and giving them free term insurance for a hundred thousand dollars.....
Hopefully will get a response soon
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#139 · Posted: 16 Mar 2009 11:16
USA1950: I sent off an email looking into the term insurance being offered. Being that is no where being mentioned on the site yet and has only been talked about during their conference call or in email, I can only suspect that they are referring to active affiliates (1 sale qualified) who will get this insurance. Imagine 10,000 or more affiliates getting term insurance at the companies expense. I can just imagine the cost...... Seems unreal..... Company has nothing to gain to have thousands of affiliates who are not selling a thing for them and giving them free term insurance for a hundred thousand dollars.....
I asked same question, and was told the $100K policy required no sales, one sale was referencing upgrading your $100K policy to a $1M policy, so I got that clarified.
It is like any other giveaway, the numbers have to make sense, and since IntelaTrade is so confident in their software, they feel the masses who learn of it will at some point want to own it, so it is a numbers game, and obviously, they must have the money to lay out to offer such a strong incentive, but I will wait for my policy in hand first before being convinced. lol
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#140 · Posted: 18 Mar 2009 16:56 · Edited by: USA1950
I was looking into their compensation plan and find it interesting how it is you are to become 1 sale qualified.
TWO WAYS TO BECOME ONE SALE QUALIFIED:
A) Make a retail sale to a non-affiliate.*
B) Make a retail sale to yourself.*
*Your Retail Bonus Will Not Count Until After one of the above is achieved.[/i]
1) Make a retail sale to a non-affiliate. How do you make a sale to a non-affiliate. If you look closely at the website, when someone is at your site, they only have an option to register not to purchase. The way I see it, is that once they register, they are now an affiliate. They have to then go into their own backoffice to make a purchase.Therefore their purchase does not count as a sale for you. So you have hundreds of folks registering and if 10 of them make a purchase what do you get for it. NOTHING.....
IntelaTrader Active Affiliate aka IAA: A person who has signed up to sell IntelaTrader Software and makes a Minimum of 1 personal retail sale (One Sale Qualified). Again a personal retail sale is when an affiliate sells a 5000 point IntelaTrader Software Package to a Non-Affiliate or to themselves.[i]
You are pretty much forced to make a purchase to get qualified.
What makes me believe this, is that they sent out an email offering discounted pricing to get YOU [i][/i]to make a purchase. Mind you now, they tell you to disregard the pricing on the site.
They should have a retail sale site, where people can just make a purchase without having to register as an affiliate.
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