Since Vishal removed the ASD forums from showing up in the Last Discussions on the main forum, I haven't been paying much attention to what's going on in the ASD. Today I stopped by just to check out the activities there. Myself and several others here knew where ASD would be heading. If you don't know what's going on, stop by the ASD forums and check it out. Use these people mistakes as your own learning experience to avoid such fate in the future. I feel terribly bad for the people who've lost money. However, seeing the desperation in most of them makes me want to puke. Why? Because I hear all kinds of excuses that I've heard hundred of times over before. It usually starts off something like this... "If I had known _____________, I would have never joined..." "I only joined because I trusted _____________..." "How can that be? This isn't a ponzi scheme...". "There were lawyers and attorneys who are members." Hope you get the idea. C'mon already! You guys refused to listen to the naysayers remember? What? The founder is such a straight and caring person. The naysayers are all just jealous and negative right? Hey, I'm angry for you too. But I'm also angry when I try to present you with facts and you refused to listen. What do you expect? Of course members will always try to present a pretty picture you idiot! How else would recruiting continue and new money comes in? Even in this mess most members are still hopeful to get their money back. In fact, many are even demanding the government pay them back their lost money. Worst, some even claim there is a government conspiracy to keep the money or something like that. But the most pitiful are those who are still in denial. Why do part of me feel this way? Why do part of me feel these people deserve what's coming? Should we empathize with these members. Yes and no! Like I've said, I feel terribly bad for the members who've lost money. However, I realize this is the perfect lesson for them. Trust me, if it doesn't happen to them now, it will eventually. How can I say such a terribly thing? Because I realize why they've lost money on this deal... It's not because they trust their friend who introduced them. It's not because they thought the founders are nice people. It's not that they believe in the lawyers who told them everything is legit. It's not because they were simply naive. No, it's none of that. The reason they've lost money is simply because of their own GREED! I know I will anger many people by saying that but these people need to hear it and we all need to realize this. It is this greed that will end up hurting them again and again. So that is why I say that if it doesn't happen to them now, it will eventually. In fact, some will never learn and will always be seeking the easy way to get the big money. The problem is most of the time the quick and easy ways to the big money usually involves in legally questionable schemes. Judges, doctors, government officials, attorneys, religious members, etc., no matter what their status in our society are all inflicted with this "disease". This disease is also very contagious. It can spread from our church members, our closest friends, our family, etc. So how can we keep from making this mistakes? Whether it's cash gifting, chain-letters, are any type of MLM and recruiting schemes, there are things to watch out for. First, how long have that company been in business? Most will fly under the radar for the first couple of years and then go down. The founder(s) flee with the money and starts another scheme. It has happened over and over again people. Proven companies have been doing business for 10+ yrs. Does the company has a REAL product/service to offer? Can you make money by selling the product alone? Many company just operate by marketing a lousy product/service just so they can stay legal. Don't think for a second that having any type of product will make the company bullet-proof. How much of the money coming into the company is from product sales to members and how much is from product sales to non-members? When a company is up for investigations, the government also looks at the percentage of sales from these two figures. The company will be in trouble if most of sales are from members buying. Many company operate this way. Because of this, many times money just circulate within the company from the members and not from direct sales. Others impose their monthly quota so that often, members have to purchase the product themselves to qualify to for commissions. The bottom-line is these companies want to guarantee one thing only and that is that the company will always make money. Ask yourself, where is the money coming from? Majority of the money needs to come from direct sales of the products or services to non-members. A way to gauge this would be if recruiting were to stop, would members still be able to make money without having to put money back in? If anyone else has some tips, please post away... Some use links to reference: Cash Gifting http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/alerts/giftalrt.shtm Internet Pyramid Schemes http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/12/cops2.shtm Internet Opportunity Scams http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1998/03/netopp.shtm Envelope Stuffing http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2008/04/workathome.shtm Others... http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/menus/consumer/invest/workhome.shtm Obviously, this pertains to USA but many countries also follow the same guidelines so check with your local authorities.