Hey Squidooers, how goes the lenses?

Discussion in 'Squidoo' started by Newbie Shield, Jan 28, 2008.

  1. Newbie Shield

    Newbie Shield Gold Member


    How are you all coming along on the development of your lenses. Have you added anything lately? Need any help?


    Newbie Shield
  2. mountainmom5

    mountainmom5 Gold Member

    aahhhh - I needed that reminder, newbieshield...

    I need to get back in there and add some content,eh?

    Could use a few tips as I sorta got stuck with mine and then had a lot of family stuff going on and just sorta kinda let it slide, I guess...

    Thanks for the kick - I needed it!

  3. pcwork

    pcwork New Member

    I have a few lenses, but difficult to get traffic as usual
  4. Newbie Shield

    Newbie Shield Gold Member

    Please feel free to ask specific questions for seo tips, html squidoo tricks, codes to change font size, font color, font family, background color, add and resize images, create a local module table of contents, at an html table, or what ever you want.

    I'll give you one tip that will save you a lot of time and trouble. Do your seo research before you publish your lenses. I made all four of mine before I did seo because I just wanted to put them up and then tweak them.

    It proved to be a headache and now it is quite a bit more work to seo after they are finished. I knew better too...shame on me [​IMG]

    Ask away. That's why I created this thread.


    Newbie Shield
  5. mountainmom5

    mountainmom5 Gold Member

    Okay, lets start with this...[​IMG]

    What's the best way to do seo research??
  6. Newbie Shield

    Newbie Shield Gold Member


    SEO research is a very broad term. It involves a lot. First thing to do after you decide what to write about is to put your main ideas in an outline format. Then you do your seo research.

    Once you come up with keyword phrases for each item in your outline, you make them your titles. You also look for related phrases and you include those in your paragraphs along with the titles. Each paragraph under each title should relate to the title and be keyword rich.

    Then you determine a url if you don't already have one. It would be great if it could match your primary keyword phrase.

    Then you create your url title. This should at least contain your primary keyword phrase. If you can naturally slide in a secondary and even a third main keyword phrase then do so.

    Same applies to your intro module. But the description can be a bit longer - a three line paragraph or so.

    Then come the meta tags. Limit each page to 5 keyword tag phrases at most. Make these tags the main seo search phrases that the page discusses. I know it's been said that you can use up to 40 tags on squidoo, but then you won't be focused enough for one page. I started out that way and it doesn't work well with search engines.

    Then do this with the body and so on.

    My lenses are too long to be search engine friendly. I did not create them for search engines; only for the Squidoo community and for experimenting. I am now trimming them down slightly for seo purposes, but they will never be search engine friendly. Don't make yours as long as mine, lol.

    You might use this link for seo research. It's a rough tool but it is free and it helps:


    You want something with minimal or zero "Advertiser Competition". You want something with last month data, and this month data. The monthly stuff should be well below the middle on the green graphs or you'll never be seen on the SERPs (Search Engine Results Pages).

    But don't leave it at that! That's the most common mistake. You'll want to have a second tab/window open to actually type the phrases you've found into the Google search engine to see how many results you get. I'd shy away from anything over 3 mil. Depending upon how "nichie" your page is, you might do well with as little as 10k. I usually shoot for between 100k and 3 mil.

    Just so you know...being number one for phrases that have no search volume is fun albeit worthless. You want phrases the people type in month after month.

    I hope that helps. Ask all the questions you want.


    ~Newbie Shield~
  7. Marktech

    Marktech Member

    I am struggling to get 20 clicks a day on my best lenses right now. Summer's coming and web traffic in general is slowing down. I saw something interesting the other day though. I saw a US Free ad on the first page of a google search and clicked on it. I saw the page had had over 5000 visitors. What! I thought, wait a minute, I clicked on a list of his other usfreeads and the guy had ads that were getting 2 to 5 thousand visits, (lifetime). Hey, that's pretty good for usfree ads. Wonder what he's doing. I wish I had bookmarked his pages.
  8. Newbie Shield

    Newbie Shield Gold Member

    Hi Marktech,

    20 clicks a day is pretty good. High lensrank depends upon several things.

    The Squidoo algorithm is complex and changes every so often. It takes into consideration weekly traffic, star ratings, bookmarks, favorites, and various interactivity on the lenses.

    So someone with 1,000 visitors a week and zero star ratings, zero bookmarks and zero favorites may not outrank someone who has far less traffic but more of the other types of lens interaction.

    Even so, without traffic, you won't get any other interactions and you won't make any sales.

    So, you have to at least have some traffic for the lens to work out as a business model.

    Lenses are also good for back links, especially if they have a decent PR.

    Furthermore, lenses can drive traffic to your other sites via links.

    They make excellent labs for testing out your SEO and marketing ideas and for developing skills. Theory is great but you learn quite a bit more with practice.

    Just make sure you get the education first before you play around.

    Traffic matters quite a bit, but so do the other algorithmic components.


    ~Newbie Shield~
  9. Money4Mommy

    Money4Mommy New Member

    Squidoo sounds interesting so I made a few lenses for fun. I've just started reading your helpful tips in this forum and would welcome some advice/suggestions. Admittedly, most of your advice about Squidoo has gone way over my head so keep it simple, lol.

    Newbie Shield: My lenses are too long to be search engine friendly. I did not create them for search engines; only for the Squidoo community and for experimenting. I am now trimming them down slightly for seo purposes, but they will never be search engine friendly. Don't make yours as long as mine, lol.

    One of my lenses is really long too. I thought bigger was better, now I'm confused.

    I am going to make a few more lenses for fun, -about things I am interested in and I wouldn't mind making a little extra money.

    Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!
  10. Newbie Shield

    Newbie Shield Gold Member

    Hi Money4Mommy,

    Your bio page looks good.

    I checked out your CashCrate lens. It looks good and I like it.

    A few minor tips:

    I would keep the intro module very brief - 4 lines or so. I would create a new text module and place it right below the intro module. You might drop some of your intro module text into this one.

    You might also place a guestbook at the bottom of the lens. This encourages other lensmasters to sign your book, rate your lens, favorite it, and generally interact with other features. It will help lensrank and show that folks are interested in your lens.

    That isn't much to change and I think you understand lens creation quite well.

    Nice lens.


    ~Newbie Shield~
  11. Money4Mommy

    Money4Mommy New Member

    Thanks Newbie Shield, I've joined your fan club and rated your Squidoo Tricks lens.

    I've become addicted to Squidoo, it's really fun! I made a few new lenses last night and I will be sure to follow your advice and edit my CashCrate lens with your suggestions.[​IMG]
  12. Newbie Shield

    Newbie Shield Gold Member

    It really is addictive [​IMG]

    I rated and favorited your CashCrate lens and I joined your fan club as well.

    Wow, you really did create a lot of new lenses last night. You are really on a roll!

    The reason I mentioned the changes to the intro module and adding a text module right below it are that the intro module is for "introducing" the lens topic. The very next module explains it in more detail. Everything flows in logical order from top to bottom. Does that make sense?

    People want to know what your lens is at a quick glance to decide if they should spend their time reading it. The first two places they look are the lens title and the intro module. Then they look just below the intro module and then on down.

    Hook em with your lens title and start to reel them in with your intro module. Explain why they should continue (without actually saying that) with your second module.

    I hate to use a fishing analogy but it's effective.

    A perfect example is your Faery lens. The title hooked me and the intro module caused me to continue reading your lens. I found both components very compelling.

    Have fun with Squidoo [​IMG]


    ~Newbie Shield~
  13. BillChechel

    BillChechel New Member


    Your lens is great. I am in the process of setting up my first lens and needed some advice on linking a banner or pic to my site. I searched your lens and could not find that info. I am sure it is on there I just missed it. Thanks.

    I really appreciate having a resource like your lens to help me out.
  14. Money4Mommy

    Money4Mommy New Member

    Okay, I am officially addicted to Squidoo!

    I made a few new lenses, -feel free to check them out. (I'm not sure if it's ok to post the url in this forum so hopefully I'm not breaking any rules? Please advise for future reference.)

    This is my "How To" lens about making your own flower seed packet wedding favors.

    My latest lens may be a bit controversial but I am really proud of it and would appreciate some feedback... Eating Meat VS. Planet Earth

    Of course, I welcome any advice and suggestions but no hate mail please, lol.

    One more question for Newbie Shield or any fellow Squidoo lensmasters: Would you suggest joining groups and does it boost your rankings at all?

    Thanks again for all the helpful tips!![​IMG]
  15. Newbie Shield

    Newbie Shield Gold Member

    Bill: The banner and pic linking is indeed covered on my lens. Next time you visit just keep reading and you'll see it. Additionally, almost all of my images are linked from external sources - image servers.

    I don't think you'll have any problems after you read the pertinent modules but let me know if you get stuck.

    Money: It's fun to be excited about Squidoo, isn't it? Your How To lens is great. How To's are always a big hit. I don't think that your meat verses earth lens is controversial at all.

    In fact, I have known this to be true for quite some time and I am very concerned about everything you've mentioned. The meat industry is the most evil force on the planet in my opinion...in a million different ways. The oil industry is near the top of the list as well.

    Joining a group or two (only join the best ones) can give you a little traffic, which can in turn boost your Squidoo rank slightly. It also boosts PR if you link to a high PR group.

    To see what your PR is, just download and install the Google Tool bar and enable Page Rank.

    You won't see a PR rating on new lenses for two or more months. It certainly won't happen until Google updates their PR algo. It may be several months.

    I got lucky and got PR on my first three lenses that had only been up for a couple months due to perfect timing. One of my lenses is a PR 4 and two of them are PR 3. I have to wait until the next Google PR update for the remaining lens.


    ~Newbie Shield~
  16. gojade

    gojade New Member

    I'm a bit of a newbie to marketing my biz on the internet...but I'm guessing squidoo is a way to do that?
    How does it work? Is it very effective? It sounds like you're the person to talk to about it Newbie Shield!
  17. nancyj

    nancyj New Member

    Sure is a lot of good advice here. I just started with Squidoo today so will have to see how it goes. I'll probably be back asking a lot of questions.
  18. Money4Mommy

    Money4Mommy New Member

    nancyj, I hope you love squidoo as much as I do! I am having a lot of fun with my lenses and I'm happy to say that my Flower Seed Packet lens is ranking #946 overall and #51 in DIY. Honestly, I'm sure if that's really all that great but considering where it started just a few days ago I'm quite pleased.[​IMG]

    gojade, Newbie Shield is the one to ask for all your Squidoo questions. He has been a huge help to me with suggestions and advice. From my little experience with Squidoo, I can tell you that it is VERY effective for marketing! (You might just like it so much that you'll make some lenses just for fun too.)

    Warning: Squidoo is highly addicting!!
  19. RayvinAndRob

    RayvinAndRob New Member

    I owe Newbie Shield a big THANK YOU for the inspiration and guidance I needed to create my very first Squidoo Lense.[​IMG]

    (He had no idea I decided to work on one until now.)

    I'm glad I clicked on your sig link, Newbie. Otherwise, I'd still be Squidooless!

    Rob Nyte
  20. BillyPilgrim

    BillyPilgrim New Member

    As NS knows, I use my lenses primarily as landing pages. My top two are consistently ranked in the top 400. I drive traffic to them, for the most part, through article marketing.


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