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malibumentor
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#1 · Posted: 27 Jun 2006 14:05
I feel its a money game that preys on people's desire for success with
no work. At present 73% are not qualified to make money. It only sells itself. I have checked out lots of PAS sites and never seen another business or opportunity being promoted out front with it.
What is the purpose of this system?
It only seems to be about signing up new associates.
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peterfolks
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#2 · Posted: 2 Jul 2006 22:51
I have requested a call back, received in 30 seconds.
Questions:
1. Do you have a free trial? Answer: NO, you buy it or don't
2. Do you have a money back policy? NO.
Thank you...NO more questions!
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made2prosper
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#3 · Posted: 4 Jul 2006 00:08
HAHA...
Try looking into 1step... You will be pleasantly surprised!!
Just click signature link!
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WealthyWAHM
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#4 · Posted: 4 Jul 2006 11:49
Quoting: malibumentor I feel its a money game that preys on people's desire for success with
no work. At present 73% are not qualified to make money. It only sells itself. I have checked out lots of PAS sites and never seen another business or opportunity being promoted out front with it.
What is the purpose of this system?
It only seems to be about signing up new associates.
My system sells my additional businesses, for me. Maybe they aren't listed right on the doorway page, but as soon as you enter through, BAM! There they are!
Right now, I have Canadian Diamond Traders and Easy Daily Cash listed (I just put Easy Daily Cash back there this week). On average, I get 2-3 interested people for CDT per week to request more info and, since I added EDC this week, I have had 1 sign up come from my PAS website.
Yes, It is true that the system is designed to attract sales for itself, but what program isn't designed that way??? Isn't that the point of promotion of direct sales products? Or any products for that matter??
Quoting: peterfolks I have requested a call back, received in 30 seconds.
Questions:
1. Do you have a free trial? Answer: NO, you buy it or don't
2. Do you have a money back policy? NO.
Thank you...NO more questions!
That response should have been a given- this program is DIRECT SALES, meaning you aren't paying a company that has the luxury of offering things like "free trials". You are buying directly from another member and how can a team leader say "Sure! I know that Becky will be happy to give you a free trial!"
By the way, if you read the TOS agreement, anyone who joins has 2 weeks to decide to "resign" from the business and get their money back, no questions asked- that's not half bad, huh? Essentially the same as a free trial/ moneyback policy.
Quoting: made2prosper HAHA...
Try looking into 1step... You will be pleasantly surprised!!
Just click signature link!
Good luck with 1-step.  I feel that they made a mistake in doing that 2 month "pre-launch" in the beginning where people were instantly qualified. Pre-launch is a great idea if it is only for a week or so to establish a healthy base, but 2 months was far too long and, in my opinion, totally killed their momentum once they switched to their 2-up plan.
I have nothing against 2-ups, I am part of Easy Daily Cash and that is a 2-up that runs along the same lines, but I think 1-step set themselves up for a flood of "hit and run big builders" right in the beginning by doing that "pre-launch"- hence the 10,000- 20,000 joinees that got in right then.
I don't know very many people that are making consistent sales with it anymore- I do hope that you are finding yourself to be an exception.
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barefootmentor
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#5 · Posted: 21 Jul 2006 10:08
Something you have to remember here.... PAS is a marketing system. When was the last time Google adwords offered you a free trial? or money back guarantee?
For me the PAS system is marketing my Barefoot Secret Business [Link removed - Admin]. I have doubled the sign ups into this business since joining PAS. To me that say's lots for a marketing system!! I know I would hate to go back to marketing without PAS my tool box.
There are lots of good one up programs out there to generate cash flow... The way I looked at it is...why not choose one that is going to promote something you are already marketing. A win win situation.
Peter... the team leader was just being honest. Actually I have several marketing tools in my tool box. PAS is one of them another one I use Veretekk [Affiliate link removed - Admin] takes the free trail on step further. They have a silver system that you can use for free and there is no time limits what so ever. You have access to about 70% of the system as a free silver member.
Mailbummentor... Prosperity Automated System has grown by leaps and bounds over the last few months. It will take a little time to get some of the newest members qualified. I'm not sure where you are getting your percentages or how accurate they are. The way PAS is set up that you need to enter your email and name to access the site. This enables me to market my primary business in a way that I couldn't if it was on the first page.
Cindy McAsey
Barefoot in the Garden
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bobby911
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#6 · Posted: 21 Jul 2006 10:16
i have the money to invest i am not 18 yet but i am 16 and i am looking for something in business to take off a successful career or i could just go to college 3 or 4 thousand dollars is a risky chance
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barefootmentor
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#7 · Posted: 22 Jul 2006 12:42
This is in response to bobby911.
Go to college and get an education first, before getting to involved in a business. I have 2 son's that are on the downhill side of their college years and are now investing in their own businesses. Yes PAS is one of their marketing tools...
Down the road you will be so glad you got your degree and then went into business.
Cindy McAsey
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hollyb25
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#8 · Posted: 28 Jul 2006 15:05
Quoting: malibumentor I feel its a money game that preys on people's desire for success with
no work. I have checked out lots of PAS sites and never seen another business or opportunity being promoted out front with it.
What is the purpose of this system?
It only seems to be about signing up new associates.
Hello,
When I joined PAS I did so with the sole purpose of using the system to sell it's self as you are suggesting. But once I started talking with prospects and other PAS members I realized the value of the 6 ad spaces on all pages of the site (except the doorway.)
I have since joined three other programs and the majority of my leads and sign ups are comming from my PAS. I have even had internet marketers approach me about renting my spaces because they also see the far reaching effect PAS's technology is having on the "outside world."
I understand your concern with not being able to see any other products being promoted because of your unwillingness to give out your name, email address and/or phone #, and I do not blame you.
For this reason, I have my link set up to land inside my PAS site so prospects have a chance to look around.
When a new member joins my team I help them set up their site in a way that seems to significantly raise the closing ratio on PAS sales as well as for their other products. I also help them with additional low or no cost advertising to increase the number of people who view their businesses.
Good luck to you.
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cowgirlkendra
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#9 · Posted: 12 Sep 2006 00:49
Hi all,
A quick question for you:
How is this not a pyramid, MLM scheme, therefore illegal? (Yes, I've read everything I can find, but it still seems like it fits my state's definition for a pyramid scheme. a) you must make an investment in order to get the right to recruit; b) when you recruit another person you receive compensation; c) new recruits must make an investment in order to recruit. Here's the link to the website where I find that information: LINK
If it is not an illegal scheme (because other products are sold) how many people are really making money? I see a whole lot of cheerleaders here (and I really want to believe them) but it makes me a little bit sceptical that this program is so good that everyone is getting rich without lifting a finger.
Did anyone else have these doubts?
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cowgirlkendra
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#10 · Posted: 12 Sep 2006 01:03
I forgot one question in my last post:
How does the money get reported to the IRS? Do you report the money under your business license, or ... ?
Thanks in advance for your help!
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WealthyWAHM
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#11 · Posted: 12 Sep 2006 07:08
Quoting: cowgirlkendra Hi all,
A quick question for you:
How is this not a pyramid, MLM scheme, therefore illegal? (Yes, I've read everything I can find, but it still seems like it fits my state's definition for a pyramid scheme. a) you must make an investment in order to get the right to recruit; b) when you recruit another person you receive compensation; c) new recruits must make an investment in order to recruit. Here's the link to the website where I find that information:
If it is not an illegal scheme (because other products are sold) how many people are really making money? I see a whole lot of cheerleaders here (and I really want to believe them) but it makes me a little bit sceptical that this program is so good that everyone is getting rich without lifting a finger.
Did anyone else have these doubts?
1) It's not a pyramid because your money gets you a product... it might be a service-based product (the service of having Tour Guides run your follow ups, the service of being able to advertise additional products and biz ops through your website, etc) but it's a product.
This is really no different than buying something from a store and using it. It's direct sales, not MLM and yes, it is an income producing product, but there are no "people at the top" guaranteed to make the most money. Your success isn't dependent on when you joined, it's dependent upon how you work it.
2) You are right, not everyone is getting rich. If people intend to approach this business totally passively and just purchase the ad packs for their advertising, they better be prepared to wait a while for their return on investment. If they want to be active, that's where they will make their money back quicker. That's how it goes with any business- those with 24-7 promotion are going to benefit most. Ad packs are rotator-based, so they aren't 24-7 exposure for your website.
Quoting: cowgirlkendra How does the money get reported to the IRS? Do you report the money under your business license, or ... ?
Thanks in advance for your help!
I answered this in the other thread that you posted in.
Regards,
Christy
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barefootmentor
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#12 · Posted: 13 Sep 2006 00:32
CowgirlKendra,
Gosh that is a neat username..
Quoting: cowgirlkendra If it is not an illegal scheme (because other products are sold) how many people are really making money? I see a whole lot of cheerleaders here (and I really want to believe them) but it makes me a little bit sceptical that this program is so good that everyone is getting rich without lifting a finger.
Yes you do have to life a finger OK.. I can honestly say there are many people making good income with PAS including me. BUT you do have to promote the site, I have always purchased one ad pack a month to help drive traffic to my site. I would hate to rely just on the ad packs for my traffic though.
Personally I always have 3 to 5 methods of reaching out to bring people into my business. For me PAS is one of the methods I use for my primary business... and that works great for promoting your other business opportunities. That is the product... the marketing system.
I tell people who want to actively promote PAS to plan on about 30 minutes a day once you have your reach methods figured out and set up.
Cindy McAsey
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cowgirlkendra
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#13 · Posted: 13 Sep 2006 16:29
To barefootmentor and Christy,
Thank you both for your replies. If I decide to sign up for PAS, what can I expect in the way of support? Are there differences between who I choose as your sponsor? I've searched and it appears that everyone says they offer "support", but what does that really mean?
Kendra
PS. Yes! I do ride horses and I love it!
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WealthyWAHM
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#14 · Posted: 13 Sep 2006 17:11 · Edited by: WealthyWAHM
Quoting: cowgirlkendra To barefootmentor and Christy,
Thank you both for your replies. If I decide to sign up for PAS, what can I expect in the way of support? Are there differences between who I choose as your sponsor? I've searched and it appears that everyone says they offer "support", but what does that really mean?
Kendra
PS. Yes! I do ride horses and I love it!
There is a difference between who you choose as a sponsor and the level of support that you get. There are those out there that state that they offer support and then are nowhere to be seen after you pay them and then there are those that are readily available by phone and email to assist you with whatever you need. I was fortunate enough to join someone of the latter sort and owe my success to that- now I do exactly the same thing for my downline....
What "support" refers to is having someone available to assist you in setting up your website (trust me, you will be a bit overwhelmed to start- being given this website and full back office, etc and it helps to have someone there to walk you through it), someone to bounce advertising ideas off of and that is willing to share what works for them- all that!
You can get a pretty clear picture of what my support system is like by clicking the link in my sig (don't worry, you don't have to opt-in) or by checking out this press release: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/09/prweb434473.htm
Christy
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way2income
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#15 · Posted: 14 Sep 2006 13:11
Whats the product? apart from "closing your leads" for you, what else does PAS involve?
I did hear someplace its a well run, over hyped ponzi scam, as it has no products or services and money simply rotates around.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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thinker77
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#16 · Posted: 16 Sep 2006 11:30
To the people who already joined PAS.
This looks more and more confusing to me.
"PAS is great to promote my additional businesses".
That's fantastic, but I have no additional businesses.
"I would hate to rely just on the ad packs for my traffic though."
So, the ad packs aren't effective, or what ?
Then in another thread I read that if you join PAS you have to set up a website and to put in quite some work to make it work. Doesn't a website come with the system ? Isn't PAS doing the promotion ?
A google ad promises a serious report about PAS but it's only a website to make you start with PAS, the one who made the 'report' being your sponsor, of course.
Someone says she gives a lot of support to the people she is sponsoring. This is great also. But isn't the system supposed to do all the work ?
Another one tells me "10 minutes a day and the system works for
you to make a great income". He claims though he does this work full time for a living and therefore is busy with it all day. Why, if ten minutes is enough ? Is he making a few millions a month or so ?
OK, that's all very nice to read, now my question :
Can anyone explain me what PAS does ? (don't explain to me what PAS IS, I can make that conclusion myself when I have all the information)
Is it really a 'passive system' to make an income ? Does it do all the promotion itself ? Why disclaimers like 'some people might earn nothing if they don't bring people to their website(s)' ? Isn't the system + the ad packs doing the promotion and bringing people to the website ?
So, if I choose for the 'passive' approach (thus not bringing people to a website) and I let the automatic system do the work, I won't make any money then ?
If it's an automatic system it's an automatic system, if not, then not.
Why aren't you people honest and tell what PAS does, how it works, what does a subscriber have to do and what not ?
I'm convinced money can be made with it - I don't think everyone here lies - but I would like to see facts and figures.
Is it automatic, ok, if it's not, just let me know, I won't start crying.
Is 190 $ a month for promotion enough or not ? Just tell me, I can handle the truth.
If you are so sure of this PAS system, why don't you just make a thread and say what has to be done and what not, what has to be paid for and what not (and how much), what works automatically and what not ? What are the things your 'potential sponsor' normally doesn't tell you ?
Etc etc. I'm sure a lot of people will appreciate your honesty.
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PASharvey
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#17 · Posted: 16 Sep 2006 18:01
Hey Thinker,
If you don't have any other businesses then you can market just PAS itself or they have products for you that you can also promote if you choose to do so. I only market PAS itself and a lot of other members do and are doing very well. You can also add things anytime if you find something else that you start later down the road. It gives you options and flexabiltiy.
The ad packs are effective for people who want to start with PAS and decide to be totally passive. It will work for you but a lot slower and in less volume. The big money makers in PAS are active in ther business and advertise in thier own ways. Again, it's really what your goals are and what you hope to get from PAS. My sponser is totally passive and makes one sale a month on average by doing nothing but ad packs.
As to having to make your own wesite....NO! You get the website when you sign up.
What is PAS? I think the answer is pretty simple and I won't run you in circles. It's a way to make money. A very effective way to make money. I'll use my sponser for example. He does nothing with PAS but buy the ad packs and let it do its thing and makes an extra $3000 a month minus his marketing efforts which still turns a $2500 profit. All by doing pretty much nothing. That's why you hear 10 minutes a day and totally passive, automated, self promoting claims that are out there. It's very possible for it to work for you if that's the road you choose to take. Once again, that's totally up to you.
When you find people who say they offer support it's because people want to take an active approch in PAS. Sometimes people get into PAS having no idea what they are doing or why they joined except that they want to better thier financial situation. If you have no marketing background it's good to have someone show you they way and help you make the money you want. There is also tons of support within PAS through training calls and other things to help you land on your feet. I have found that most people within PAS are very friendly and helpful people.
You get out of PAS what you put into it just like anything else in life. You can spend less than $300 in advertising and still turn a pretty good profit. It's all about advertising in the right places. Quality is better than quantity. Yes, you will have to do something though. It's not going to over take your life or even be something you consider a job but you will have to do something if you want to make good money. Most people want someone to just give them truck loads of cash but we all know that if you want something in life you have to earn it. I would rather work for what I have anyway but that's my personal opinion.
On your question of what your potential sponser doesn't tell you.....I would hope they are telling you everything you want to know. I bugged and bugged my sponser before I joined. Although he is totally passive and I choose to be active he could answer a lot of the quesions I was asking or atleast point me in the right direction. He doesn't market outside of ad packs so when I came with marketing questions I was on my own at that point. But like I said, people within PAS will gladly help you find your way.
I hope this information answers some of your questions. I'm sure I have missed something so if I did just let me know and I will gladly answer it for you
Casey
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#18 · Posted: 16 Sep 2006 18:45
This is what PAS does
A fellow PAS member stated it best:
With its Automated Prospector, PAS looks for prospects through search engines and off-line advertising bringing them to the member's website. Once there, the system acts like a filter that gets rid of all the "tire-kickers" through its unique elimination process, leaving only the serious prospects that are ready to buy. These quality "opt-ins" then request to be contacted. One of the team leaders from the system contacts these prospects and answers all their questions in a non-pressure, non-salesman-attitude way, ending in 80% closing ratio.
That's with the adpacks. Which is $190 a month.
So you are marketing a marketing system. You have reseller's rights to it.
$190 a month might be enough to make a very significant income a month, it might not be. Nobody can guarantee how many sales you will make from an adpack. Just like if 50 people come to your store to buy something, that doesn't mean 25 or even 5 people will buy something, but you have a better chance.
That's why some people promote outside of adpacks, because the more traffic you have the better your chance of making more sales. You will send that traffic to your website and then hey, the system takes over from there.
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#19 · Posted: 17 Sep 2006 05:23
bkamanski,
Good for you! I hope you make it!! Good luck and I hope the furture holds great things for you! Hopefully I see you at the top
Casey
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#20 · Posted: 17 Sep 2006 12:23
Quoting: shun $190 a month might be enough to make a very significant income a month, it might not be. Nobody can guarantee how many sales you will make from an adpack. Just like if 50 people come to your store to buy something, that doesn't mean 25 or even 5 people will buy something, but you have a better chance.
That's why some people promote outside of adpacks, because the more traffic you have the better your chance of making more sales. You will send that traffic to your website and then hey, the system takes over from there.
I can't help thinking that, on average, the packs at best will result in a sale sooner or later, maybe in some six months. And they don't seem to be improving from what I read on various forums. Hmm... not very exciting.
Now, please don't wallop me for this, but I have a fair idea that several people here are also with, or are considering, Predator.
I also have a gut feel that thier Lead generation in partnership with Veretekk may achieve much better results.
Is anyone with experiance with Predator willing to comment on results achieved?
Thanks
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