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Nothappy
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#321 · Posted: 19 Aug 2009 13:29 · Edited by: Nothappy
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Nothappy
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#322 · Posted: 19 Aug 2009 13:45
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struggler
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#323 · Posted: 20 Aug 2009 15:37
hey, did you guys check BBB? Thrive learning is now not accredited by BBB. I went there and saw No rating. I wonder what happened? Maybe something went down with them since there were mass complaints against them?
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Nothappy
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#324 · Posted: 20 Aug 2009 23:09
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struggler
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#325 · Posted: 21 Aug 2009 02:03
Wait, Not Happy. Don't get deceived by thrive. This is Online Business Bureau which is completely different from Better Business Bureau. If you look at
http://www.onlinebusinessbureau.com/index.cfm
they themselves say for themselves that they are not even related with Better Business Bureau in any way. You were probably provided this link by people of thrive when you talked to people of thrive, correct?
well, I'm wondering if online business bureau is legit itself or not. This is my guess but they might be a part of scammer that backs up for the true scammer for people to believe that they are legitimate. Try comparing it with Better Business Bureau.
http://www.bbb.org/utah/business-reviews/training-program-companies/thrive-learning-i n-orem-ut-22219354
Better Business Bureau are providing much information as possible about the company and listing of complaints. Yet there are no details provided of complaints or any other information regarding companies' behavior in Online Business Bureau's website. The way how they rate is weird as well for only having 3 different ratings. Ratings include such as Recommended (Green Mark) for being registered or not being registered (Yellow Mark) or having unresolved complaints (Red Mark). Their way of grading seems way too vague to the point that they are trying to hide the detail from us consumers as much as possible. From this, existence of ONLINE business bureau smells fishy.
Also, check the link above on ratings for Thrive on BETTER Business Bureau. I have been checking on bbb.org to see if their grading went down or not. It was "A-" for a while but now it's "NO RATING". The reason for this probably was that there were some Government Action taken against them. It could be possible that people's complaints became civil and they were banned from the BBB accreditation. Whichever it is, Thrive still has a lot of fishy part of them when you do more research about them and I believe that there would be more of government action going against them.
I want to believe that those scammers aren't lasting long.
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IMarketer
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#326 · Posted: 21 Aug 2009 09:06
Struggler is right.
Anyone can buy a domain name and start a membership site.
It doesn't mean the site has any official standing.
onlinebusinessbureau.com even states that the BBB is a private company, and then proves that it is too.
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Nothappy
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#327 · Posted: 21 Aug 2009 09:21
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c a future
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#328 · Posted: 21 Aug 2009 12:47
Yes you all! Hurry up and send in your complaint before the Thrive people and associates go totally under and have no money to return! I know Bhavesh told me before he disappeared that he was aware that there was serious investigation going on...
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stillwaiting
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#329 · Posted: 21 Aug 2009 14:42 · Edited by: stillwaiting
Okay guys, I am one of those "suckers" who fell for the whole song and dance at Thrive Learning. I am in debt of over $10K and currently have a complaint in with the FTC and the BBB of Utah. Thrive struke back offering me....NO refund, but additional coaching, calls, etc. I am certainly not going to continue with this nightmare and hope that this company gets what is coming to them. I contacted my bank about this whole scam mess and they told me that they could not dispute the charges since there was a 3 day cancellation policy with the company. I am considering of going to a lawyer to get my money back. Any other insight/ info would be greatly appreciated. I have nothing good to say about this company. I only wish I had done my research and homework first.
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c a future
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#330 · Posted: 21 Aug 2009 17:45
Stillwaiting,
Are you saying that you charged the 10K on a credit card through your bank and then the bank won't dispute the charges based on the contract that you signed? My experience is that I had a cc through a bank that I didn't have any other accounts with. When I called to dispute the charges I had the signed contract, a form letter that I had sent around to the Consumer Protection div of Utah, ATG office in my state and Utah, and Utah governor's office. I was also disputing the charge way after the fact...the charge occurred on my cc back in early November of last year and I was disputing it last May! I also had copies of emails showing that I was getting conflicting advice from the Thrive "mentors", handwritten notes that I took from the original phone pitch that made several claims...I sent all this in to the dispute rep. Also, if you check on the Utah Consumer Protection Division website, they give a list of properly registered and licensed phone telemarketers. If the people who sold you the contract are not on that list, then the contract is no good. If you go back to around Page 7, 8, 9 of this forum and read up, there are lot's of helpful experiences and tips. As it turned out, the telemarketers that signed me up were NOT on the list of registered telemarketers. But even without knowing that I won my dispute just on what I told the dispute officer and what I showed him on paper. Plus, if you study your contract and it is like mine, you will notice how rinky dink it is! When I first was considering going up against Thrive I felt defeated because I had a signed contract. But once I joined this forum in particular, I saw everything differently. For instance, in one item of the contract it states that this is just an educational program and that there is no claim of business success...then the next item states that success is fully expected and that Thrive would work with me as long as it took to make a return on my investment. I pointed out to all parties concerned that this seemed like a blatant contradiction! There are lots of other things like that...like what is offered...a such and such website...which makes it appear that a website is provided...I made sure to point out that there was no website provided, but that I found after the fact that I actually had to build one myself.
Anyway, hope this helps.
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#331 · Posted: 24 Aug 2009 16:58
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#332 · Posted: 24 Aug 2009 17:04
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#333 · Posted: 24 Aug 2009 17:45
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stillwaiting
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#334 · Posted: 25 Aug 2009 09:43
Thanks C A Future_
I will take your advice. Yes, my cc is with a bank and I plan to gather all my notes, emails, etc. and go forward. I felt cornered since I did sign that stupid contract with TLI. Any other advice is greatly appreciated!
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#335 · Posted: 25 Aug 2009 09:45 · Edited by: struggler
Yeah, one thing that I want to know is if the government action stated on bbb.org is considered as civil case. If it is, I'm really curious if we can present this information to the credit card company and FTC, and various places we can place a complaint to remind them in means of getting our refunds from thrive. If that's possible we have more hope in getting our refunds back. I want to appreciate those predecessors who stood up against thrive. If it weren't for their efforts, it wouldn't have come to this.
Just a reminder: For those who are new to this forum, please check page 7,8,9. There are tons of information there that would be useful who are also ripped off from Thrive Learning.
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stillwaiting
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#336 · Posted: 25 Aug 2009 09:58
Does anyone on here know just how many of us have been scammed by Thrive (and its other company names) ? Just curious. I think the AG in Utah, BBB, and FTC all need to know exactly how many of us there are out here without money thanks to these liars.
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c a future
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#337 · Posted: 25 Aug 2009 13:23
Stillwaiting,
Good to hear your response concerning your contract and dealing with your bank. I think you are just like me-have some integrity and like to honor what ever you sign your name to. So when the bank told you they couldn't do anything because after all, you had signed a contract, I can just imagine how you felt, because I would have felt exactly the same-defeated and hopeless.
But you will see. Once you get into putting it all together you will quickly see through it all and easily recognize how rinky dink that contract really is! I found that so energizing (sigh)! Best of luck to you!
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Taken4aride
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#338 · Posted: 25 Aug 2009 18:08 · Edited by: Taken4aride
Everyone - please sign the petition. We need all of your signatures!!
http://www.gopetition.com/online/27433.html
Keep passing this information along.
Do not let Thrive intimate you. Remember you are not the one in the wrong.
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#339 · Posted: 25 Aug 2009 18:23
I tried to file a complaint against Thrive with the BBB but could only get through part way. Right now, as of today, Thrive has a NR rating. Perhaps there are so many complaints - they cannot handle them all!
If you are new to this site and a victim of Thrive and one of its affiliates, start documenting your experience.
First send a letter asking for a refund from Thrive as well as the company who sold the mess in the first place.
Thrive Learning Institute
Corporate Office
512 W 800 N
Orem UT 84057
Dispute any credit card charges now.
Then send complaints to the Attorney General of Utah:
The Honorable Mark Shurtleff
Attorney General of the State of Utah
Office of the Attorney General
PO Box 142320
Salt Lake City,UT 84114-2330
Then send a complaint to the Utah Consumer Protection:
Utah Division of Consumer Protection
Attn: Complaint Processor
Heber M. Wells Building, Second Floor
160 East 300 South, SM Box 146704
Salt Lake City, Utah 84114-6704
Tel: (801) 530-6601
Fax: (801) 530-6001
www.consumerprotection.utah.gov
This is a good start.
Start a blog. We need more of them to get the bad news out about Thrive.
Keep going. We are all here to help and encourage each other.
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#340 · Posted: 27 Aug 2009 07:41 · Edited by: struggler
I was doing more research on trying to find if thrive was illegal to do business in Utah and I came across this. Apparently Profit or Nonprofit organization, LLC and etc should be registered with Division of Corporation and Commercial Code. I'm not really knowledgeable about laws and such, but doesn't this mean that thrive is illegal to do business since they are not registered?
This is where I went
http://corporations.utah.gov/
I saw information they should be registered with division looking at this (which coud be accessed by clicking on "About the Division" on link above)
http://corporations.utah.gov/mission.html
and then I didn't find any name of Thrive or Summit Group in search by looking in here (which could be accessed by clicking on "search a UCC/CFS" on the first link)
https://secure.utah.gov/uccsearch/uccs
Anyone who knows about laws and regulation who can reply to this post to prove my point would be great. Please let me know. Thanks.
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