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RayvinAndRob
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# Posted: 20 Apr 2008 19:11
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Hey Shakes,
It is our opinion specific business models drive specific kinds of behaviour.
For example, direct sellers stop earning money when they stop selling. They've got to keep filling their funnel with more and more people.
This business model drives many but not all of them to treat people like numbers. Profit is the bottom line. This can be perceived as selfish.
It is important to find a direct sales program that offers ongoing support to its affiliates.
Rob & Rayvin Nyte
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Shakes12
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# Posted: 23 Apr 2008 15:33
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Sometimes I wish that I could have known this forum before wasting so much money on scams and the so called gurus. Anyway, experience is the best teacher.
Shakes
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LauraLicata
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# Posted: 9 May 2008 12:32
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Shakes12: Is this how its supposed to be? Am i beeing too ambitious to expect a stranger help me make money? I dont think they have the customer's interest at heart or maybe as i have said, I am doing business with the wrong guy. Is someone else seeing this practise or am I alone in this?
Hi there,
I absolutely do not think this is true of all internet marketers! I think that by being a sponsor who truly wants to see all the members of their downline succeed, everyone is happy and loyal.
You just have to find the right sponsor. If you sign up to learn more about a program and you do not hear from your potential sponsor then that is a bad sign. Try to connect with them and you will be able to tell right away if they will be able to help you.
Take care,
Laura
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Homeboy
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# Posted: 9 May 2008 17:31
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Shakes12: Sometimes I wish that I could have known this forum before wasting so much money on scams and the so called gurus. Anyway, experience is the best teacher.
Don't worry, I think most, if not all of us, were burned by the gurus at the beginning when we didn't know any better... Now I take one look at their flashy sales pages, roll my eyes, and merrily click that lil 'x' in the top-right corner of the screen. 
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BillyPilgrim
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# Posted: 9 May 2008 19:03
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That's why I use hotmail. They all end up in the bin, and then I decide which ones to keep. And there are only 2-3 to be honest with you.
I was never going to get into the IM niche but I'm a tai chi teacher and I want my students to get it faster than I did. I always tell them the teaching is free and you only pay me for my time. I'm going to do the same thing soon for noobs in IM. The hardest thing is getting that first check. I'm going show everyone how I made my first $100+ week. And you can have it for free. And I'll never shill anything I don't use and love. There are good products out there that can chop the learning curve but who are you going to believe? I was lucky to have someone who taught me free.
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twnuck
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# Posted: 26 May 2008 23:19
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Shakes,
SHORT ANSWER: You're right, 99% don't believe in your best interests
LONG ANSWER: Most of internet marketers aren't trained in business and are focused on the short term sale instead of the long term relationship. The true money is in the relationship and that can only come through a POSITIVE buying experience. If you have a lot of one shot deals then you will work VERY hard to make money on the internet!
Build trust, give value and solve problems and people will come to you with credit card in hand each and every time!
Todd
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alasycia
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# Posted: 30 May 2008 07:21
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Hello,
Well your title certainly got me here! And yes, after several years in this game - I would say that your observation is pretty good.
Of course there are many exceptions and there are good people out there who understand that they only make money through other people and it is in their best interests not to be too selfish.
However, there are many "whys" Firstly, people let them get away with it! People regrettably do not apply the same criteria to their online businesses as they would to offline businesses. Two important criteria are often forgotten
1. Honest selling (with no misleading and uncompletable promises) this kind of adverting is actually illegal offline in many countries - but online legislation has yet to catch up
2. Many of the marketers KNOW that their products and the sale of them are NOT sustainable long term and will not make money for everyone - only those at the top. Tjhis is particularly true in MLM and programmes that cannot last in the long term.
They want to make money -so they pressurise you to join fast (lets face it - in a year or two there may be no money to be madeLOL)
The only solution to man's selfishness when he sees $$$ signs is to realy research every offer you receive, and use the same criteria you would do when going into an offline business. Blind trust in a nice guy who promises a lot is not research! LOL
So what do you need to find out? (due dilgence, doing your homework or research - whatever you like to call it)
Who is the company? What is the track record of the owners? Is it properly financed? Is it legal!? Is the product viable? Does the compensation plan benefit everyone, or only those in first? What protection and obligations do you have in the Terms of Service and the other legal parts of the programme?
In summary - can the company deliver long term
If you do that, you will be able to discount 90% of the stuff you receive and end up with some good stuff that will work for everyone and then if you get a selfish sponsor, it wont matter.
One day online legislation on advertising and business will catch up with offline legislation - but until such time that age old maxim still applies "BUYER BEWARE"
Jenny
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A8ch
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# Posted: 30 May 2008 13:10
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Just goes to show that there are different types of online marketers: those who sell...sell... sell, and others who show, share, teach, encourage AND sell.
The first group can seem at times to be like vultures, preying on the unsuspecting and ill-informed, draining their pocketbooks and then moving on the the next victims. Whatever success they experience tends to be short-lived.
I'd wager that the second group would enjoy lasting success because of the time and effort they put into developing a trustworthy relationship.
Hermas
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golfandtravel
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# Posted: 30 May 2008 14:01 · Edited by: golfandtravel
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As many have said, many of us have fallen prey to these "gurus." The goal is to get your money. And once you have purchased something, they know you are "hooked" and then send you a barrage of emails telling you that you need to buy other products to help you become a success. The statistics are true. Once someone buys something, the chances of them buying a subsequent product is quite high and they prey on this. It's easy to tell yourself, "I'll just get this one more product and I should be all set." But it doesn't end there. The only person you are making a success is the person you are buying these products from. Early on, I purchased one of these products and within a week, I had hundreds of emails telling me to buy other products at special prices, etc. It's a good thing I use disposable email addresses.
Like others have said, do your research. Ask questions - lots of them. If you don't get answers, or the answer is buy the product and it will tell you everything you need to know, you know it's time to look elsewhere.
Although some of these guys probably make a lot of money, personally, I would rather be able to look in the mirror and be happy with who I am and know that I haven't ripped people off to earn my money.
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