TRIVITA - Cooperative Marketing not MLM

Christy,

That was a great post, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I have not posted in awhile because I have had
some personal issues that have kept me from the
business for a few months.

But I still got paid every month during this time.
I have to say the business has not grown but
that is because I have not been able to work
the business.

But it also did not decline. That is because of the
customer base I still have that were purchasing
during these months that I have not been
active.

Thanks again, Christy.

Becky

WealthyWAHM: In Laura's case, I think she had a poor leader (as exemplified by the false income claims advertised that got the group shut down) she was following that gave her inappropriate expectations so that is the reason she is not happy. TriVita is not right for everyone and that's fine! There are plenty of businesses out there that are not right for me.
Christy,

I do not want to get into a back and forth with you but I will speak out about what you incorrectly assumed about me and my experience.

First of all, I work from home fulll time and have finally managed to make it in the 6 figure range through investments and such. I do know what I am doing.

I work with a partner and have had success with another business as well. I was not misled. I just realized that I can do better elsewhere. Period. I don't leave stones unturned but I can see reality pretty quickly. I saw that my money spent was better utilized elsewhere.

I am speaking out to people who are or can spend the money to put into purchasing 100 or more customers with TriVita. The ROI is not good and that money can better be used elsewhere with a much better return. I just joined Terri in saying this may not be the way to go. There is nothing wrong with giving an honest opinion.

I had at least 10 affiliates under me and well over 100 customers and was not seeing a decent return at all. The average person would need 1000's to really see a decent amount of money. That is why money is not spoken about in TriVita and not encouraged to be spoken about.

I was perfectly capable of working this business but have found much better avenues that were much more lucrative.

I don't believe you were around when this thread was started but the main claim was that you can just purchase customers and succeed.

That is a fact! It is also a fact that most of the regular people who posted here do not do so anymore.

Take care and good luck with your business.

Laura

LauraLicata: Christy,

I do not want to get into a back and forth with you but I will speak out about what you incorrectly assumed about me and my experience.

First of all, I work from home fulll time and have finally managed to make it in the 6 figure range through investments and such. I do know what I am doing.

I am speaking out to people who are or can spend the money to put into purchasing 100 or more customers with TriVita. The ROI is not good and that money can better be used elsewhere with a much better return. I just joined Terri in saying this may not be the way to go. There is nothing wrong with giving an honest opinion.

I had at least 10 affiliates under me and well over 100 customers and was not seeing a decent return at all. The average person would need 1000's to really see a decent amount of money. That is why money is not spoken about in TriVita and not encouraged to be spoken about.

I was perfectly capable of working this business but have found much better avenues that were much more lucrative.

I don't believe you were around when this thread was started but the main claim was that you can just purchase customers and succeed.

That is a fact! It is also a fact that most of the regular people who posted here do not do so anymore.

Take care and good luck with your business.

Laura
Laura,

I don't believe I made any assumptions about you or implied that you weren't capable of building the business... I just stated you might have had the wrong leadership and the wrong information and THAT may have been the reason it wasn't right for you... Regardless, I did agree that people need to understand joining at a steadfast pack takes work to recoup money spent. BUT, again, that's the case with any high priced opp... I just take comfort in the fact that I can account for every dollar spent to purchase my TriVita business with something tangible and didn't end up with a $49 product and about $1000 going to some sponsor somewhere as a prepayment for training that will never come (FYI-I don't need training to build my business- that comment was more made on behalf of those that do)

Good for you on the 6 figure income! I am not sure it's really relevant to the message I was trying to get across as to why TriVita might not have been for you, especially because you are trying to lump it with investments which you are making money with, but that is an accomplishment you should be proud of! Anyone making an income full-time from home certainly has it made and would have had to work hard to get there.

I've worked from home for the past 8 years- full-time for 5 and can claim the same thing- 6 figure income earner in multiple online biz opps through the years and have owned/do own a few membership sites that consistently earn an income passively.

I was out of biz opps a good year before TriVita was introduced to me... I got tired of building up something new and watching it crumble as so many hyped up new mlm businesses do which is, perhaps, why I get so defensive when someone that has not worked a stable, growing business, yet collected some coded bonuses off someone else's building efforts, goes on a rampage about not being happy. (and no, I am not referring to you here)

I read back through the first page of posts and did not see a reference made to just purchasing customers to succeed. Regardless, I highly doubt at this moment that THAT post is what is making people jump to join or decide not to... Information gets lost in forum threads and typically the information read by readers includes the first post of the thread and the last whole page of posts in a thread... (kind of a quick review of what the business is and how it works and then a scan of whether it's still working now).

Stating your opinion on this not being the business to join is fine and is what makes forums so great. I believe in honesty as you do, but I also believe in giving folks the full picture and quite frankly I did not expect such a reasonable response to my post from you given your past responses to others... Thank you for that and I don't want to go back and forth either.

As for folks not posting, forum posters are a quirky bunch.... There can be months they post faithfully and others that post once in a while with huge gaps in between. It's also a fact that forum preferences change time after time and those that use forums for their primary promotion method are typically registered with multiple forums and go where the action is... so inactivity on their part now does not necessarily mean they aren't excited about the opp anymore... In fact, I am associated with most of them and am linked to them on Facebook and can confirm that most ARE still working their businesses- just not here...

Kind Regards,

westfam11: Christy,

That was a great post, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I have not posted in awhile because I have had
some personal issues that have kept me from the
business for a few months.

But I still got paid every month during this time.
I have to say the business has not grown but
that is because I have not been able to work
the business.

But it also did not decline. That is because of the
customer base I still have that were purchasing
during these months that I have not been
active.

Thanks again, Christy.

Becky
Becky,

Happy to see you around again!

I spoke with Denise early this afternoon and we were talking about folks that have had personal issues going on lately... I am not sure of your particular situation, but I hope things are getting better for you!

That is certainly one benefit to TriVita... When I first joined I took a long time to get going simply because I was too busy with other things, but I did consistently get a check from TriVita every 2 weeks- it was definitely small potatoes compared to what it's been since I've been building things up, but it was money in hand nonetheless and you can't knock that!

Best of luck getting yourself going again.

Best of luck Christy.....I just wanted to give another fair and accurate account of this business from another perspective.

That was my only purpose. Enough said.

Laura

Let me start by saying big thanks to everyone who posted a response to my queries. I appreciate you all.

I like to say I was somewhat amazed that some people feel uncomfortable when some factual statistics were posted in response to my questions. Amazed because I dont understand when it becomes an offence to seek information and perform due dilligence before making an investment. I was also amazed to see that instead of giving straight forward answers, others indulged in long winded waffling.

I made clear I saw that people love the products, but personal products purchase decision is not the same as investment decision.

If some members disagree with the figures of performances given by Laura or Luvtravel, all they need do is give us their honest record of performance. How much did you invest, how many affiliates and how many customers do you have have; and how much do you make monthly?

Clearly you dont expect new people to join as affiliates without doing any investigation / due dilligence. It is also needless to assume that people who ask questions are some lazy or ill-educated guys who dont understant that building a successful business involves hard work.

Honest success stories are undoutedly essential in helping new and existing affiliates to build their business.

God bless you all.

ojbee: Let me start by saying big thanks to everyone who posted a response to my queries. I appreciate you all.

I like to say I was somewhat amazed that some people feel uncomfortable when some factual statistics were posted in response to my questions. Amazed because I dont understand when it becomes an offence to seek information and perform due dilligence before making an investment. I was also amazed to see that instead of giving straight forward answers, others indulged in long winded waffling.

I made clear I saw that people love the products, but personal products purchase decision is not the same as investment decision.

If some members disagree with the figures of performances given by Laura or Luvtravel, all they need do is give us their honest record of performance. How much did you invest, how many affiliates and how many customers do you have have; and how much do you make monthly?

Clearly you dont expect new people to join as affiliates without doing any investigation / due dilligence. It is also needless to assume that people who ask questions are some lazy or ill-educated guys who dont understant that building a successful business involves hard work.

Honest success stories are undoutedly essential in helping new and existing affiliates to build their business.

God bless you all.
ojbee,

There is a big difference between "factual statistics" which yes, perhaps Luvtravel and LauraLicata posted based on their own business experience and ASSUMPTION that those factual statistics apply to everyone, which is what you are doing...

Every person's business is different because customer purchase habits vary!

My reply was not "long-winded waffling" due to discomfort by the numbers presented by them, but rather an EXPANSION on the facts to help people realize that just because they (or rather just luvtravel) posted a negative warning (I do believe that Laura was just trying to point out that this business takes work and might not have known luvtravel's story) that does not mean luvtravel's experience is the same as everyone else's...

If you want facts on "returns" in this business, you need to look at PERCENTAGES, not monthly dollar figures... Percentages give a more accurate representation of what can be expected based on your own efforts and the habits of customers. I've posted this in my guide in details- a break down of what those in my group are experiencing for numbers based purely on their MAP customer repurchases.

In my guide, I cite a 30% estimated return over the course of a year on what you put into the business based on MAP orders if you intend not to recruit affiliates. In reality, my return over the past year has been 42% from customer reorders alone and that includes "new money" put into the business buying additional MAP customers over time.

My percentage return factoring in referred affiliate coded bonuses (most of which I have given away since I am teambuilding) puts me at 74% return for the year. (I have given away about 12 steadfast pack referrals to those in my team which equates to between $1500-$2000 in coded bonuses given to others.)

Those numbers are based on an organization built 3 wide. I have 175 personal customers and over 1000 in my total organization. At this point I also have about 40 affiliates through 6 levels with a 50/50 split Sonoran Bloom to Steadfast packs.

TriVita makes no claims of expected earnings based on customer purchases alone because it's impossible... They don't like us posting our monthly earnings figures because those looking at the business would EXPECT the same sorts of dollar figure returns and that would come back to whack the company in the rear later.

Anyway.... you wanted math, I just gave you math in a more helpful way than just posting "I made $xxxx this month!" Regardless of whether you find the percentages helpful, I don't think you're looking at this business the right way, so I don't think it's a good fit for you... If you want an investment, by all means, go elsewhere- being with this company would require a bit more of a commitment on your part than just dumping in a lump sum of cash today and waiting... I consider it a better return than a savings account or a 401k and that's why I am content with the returns as it is.

Best of luck,

I would really be cautious about liquidating a 401k to purchase customers. You have to take into account also the tax benefits of putting money into your 401k. I would also be curious to know the re-order percentage of these customers. Your 401k will fluctuate up and down but if your customers die or never make another purchase then you are out money. Don't get me wrong. I think everyone should own a home based business that they are passionate about but don't put all of your eggs in one basket. If I remember correctly I think customers are $50. Can you generate your own customers for less than that? Just something to think about.

Thanks for the great response to the recent posts. It's difficult to add much more, but I wanted to share a couple ideas and information.

First to Jeff - yes I have been very successful in acquiring great customer for less the the $50 cost on my MAP customers. Many come from monetarily free advertising sources that take some of my time each day. Consistency and follow-up are the key factors. The giving of a 30 day trial of products I use has also brought me customers for less than MAP purchases. I still use MAP monthly because like Christy I'm making over 30% ROI and seeing that increase steadily.

I never discuss my specific earning with anyone I share a biz op with either. I find that can give an inaccurate expectation to those doing their due diligence. There are too many variables in home-based business ownership to give that type information. I can't know how or what they will do to build their businesses and guarantee the same compensation I'm getting. Christy is correct in saying a percentage ROI is far more accurate anyway. When looking at other investments, savings, 401k's the prospectus is also projected as a % of investment.

People come and go in forums for many reasons not associated with their enthusiasm for or success in their business. Like Becky, I was absent due to deaths in my family, selling a long held family farm after my father's death and serious health issues in my husband's family. The great thing for me was my business did continue to produce greater compensation for me, just more slowly.

I don't understand how anyone could accumulate a garage full of unused products. I use and need more than the required products for my autoship. The products would keep me with Trivita even if I were to choose to leave the business end of things. They have made such significant changes in the health of my family. Nopalea is definitely responsible to saving my son's life. When we learned he had metabolic disorder with his blood sugar, cholesterol and triglycerides double or more than they should be we panicked. He is on only one medication and all but his triglycerides are now normal.
I share what I believe in - that's why my business continues to grow.

When entering a biz op I look for a great upline, but don't depend on them to build my business. That's my responsibility. I want the freedom to do things in a way comfortable for me. That's why I have a home based business after all. Saying that I have enjoyed faster and greater returns by being on a team where knowledge, tools and mentoring are so unselfishly shared.

During the last eight months I've been with Trivita, it has been the only investment that has shown increased ROI. I only wish our 401k would come close to a 30-74% ROI. It actually showed such negative return that we have reduced our monthly commitment and invested that in our business. My husband and I believe Trivita will be the primary source of income during our retirement. We also have a diverse investment plan, never putting all our eggs in one basket, but Trivita is our primary plan for future earnings. It's also the one we have the greatest control over.

Home based businesses aren't for everyone and for those of us that do like working a business from home finding the right match is crucial. Trivita is that for me and I find it a joy building something that will benefit my family for generations to come.

May each of you find success, prosperity and joy in the choices you make. I would say good luck, but I don't really believe luck plays much of a role in it. Diligence, consistent effort and belief in what I'm are doing have been the main factors in my commitment to Trivita.

Rebecca

PS Becky it's wonderful to see you back. Donna & I have missed you.

Great post sorella, i would love to be able to write as you do

You are REALLY right when you say there are online a few businesses out there that are legit. Most of these MLM businesses are only letting the top people earn money. I say start your own business or try to find businesses that have a long track record and a good BBB report. Otherwise, you will be working to make someone else rich.

Thanks Rebecca, sorry to hear of all of your troubles.

It is nice to know that our businesses didn't dissolve when we
were not working them to our fullest potential.

Now its time for me to get back to work and grow my business
again.


Becky

Thank you Stros,

I always enjoy your posts too. They are always informative and helpful to me.

Rebecca

westfam11: Thanks Rebecca, sorry to hear of all of your troubles.

It is nice to know that our businesses didn't dissolve when we
were not working them to our fullest potential.

Now its time for me to get back to work and grow my business
again.
It is a very unique business when you can attend to family/life issues and come back to the same robust downline, customers and income you had to neglect for a bit. I am so grateful to have found Trivita and for the difference it's made to me and my family.

Thanks for you kind words of support Becky. I know we all face our own battles and trials. Through it all I've been so blessed with the wonderful support of friends, family, a great business team and the Lord. May each of you have the same as we grow & learn together.

Rebecca

Just a reminder to everyone:

TriVita's Nopalea Infomercial is scheduled to start this week! I checked my ABC Family listings and it looks like it will be on at 6:30am on Thursday, September 10th, in my area... For those that want to watch/record it, search for "TriVita Health" at ABC Family.

This infomercial is unique since it will "co-brand" the Nopalea product and the cooperative marketing business opportunity that TriVita offers. This is the first time in TEN YEARS that TriVita will formally promote the business opportunity so it's quite the milestone!

BST01: I'm still trying to figure out the difference between between this and MLM though, I wonder howmuch new memers would benefit from the program since they may be less preferred to the old members.

I'm not quite sure what you mean with regard to new members being "less preferred than the old members", but I can explain the difference between this and mlm.

In the standard mlm, when an affiliate signs another affiliate to the business, they just get that 1 affiliate beneath them and the growth perpetuates from there- one, by one, by one...

With TriVita, when an affiliate signs a new affiliate at a steadfast pack, the referring affiliate does not just gain 1 new sponsored affiliate beneath them. He instead gets 1 new affiliate and 1-25 new customers along with that affiliate. This means exponential growth of an affiliate's business with each incoming affiliate having their very first income stream "given" to them with the purchase of their business.

You can almost think of it as each affiliate you sign coming in with an established business from day 1.

TriVita is mlm-like in the sense that folks earn through multiple levels- it's the exponential growth of one's business through the addition of both customers and affiliates with each affiliate sign up that makes it different.

I hope that makes sense...

Just a note on the new Sonoran Bloom infomercial-

Not sure if anyone here caught it when it aired Thursday, but it was pretty decent!

Denise, who posts here, was among the folks featured in the infomercial along with her son, Erik.

The really interesting thing is that though the Nopalea product was promoted, the point of the infomercial was to recruit affiliates to join the Share and Earn business model for $35, so the new MAPs being brought in through this infomercial will be actual affiliates!

This means, at some point after the October 1-3 Galaxy of Stars event, current affiliates in the business will be able to purchase AFFILIATES from the company as well as customers!

The price has not been announced for the purchase of the new Sonoran Bloom Share and Earn affiliate MAPs, but it will be just another way that TriVita allows us to build our business.

Answers to Your Nopalea Questions
With a new product comes questions about why, when and how to use it. The more popular the product is, the more frequently the questions are repeated. In this Weekly Wellness Report I have attempted to answer some of the more common questions about this wonderful anti-inflammatory product.

How much sugar, salt and iron are in Nopalea?
Nopalea?„? contains NO ADDED SUGAR. It is naturally sweet. Yet it is still low-calorie and low-carbohydrate. Interestingly, the calories and carbohydrates will change from batch to batch depending on the harvest. Nopalea is "wildcrafted," meaning that Nopalea is not cultivated, and no fertilizers, pesticides or chemicals of any kind are ever used - ever! It is harvested from the Sonoran Desert by natives just as it has been for thousands of years. Since it is not cultivated, the concentration of sugars and minerals in the plant change depending on how much rain we have that year. The label will accurately reflect the concentration of constituents for that harvest.

One challenge is that Nopalea is the first product of its kind. Therefore, no "standards" data existed before we created them. So, label changes happen because we created the testing standards to accurately measure the rare and powerful constituents of Nopalea.

Will Nopalea interfere with my medications?
Your physician and pharmacist know you best - ask them! We will say this: With over 200 papers published on the benefits of the Nopal cactus superfruit in human health, we have not found even one negative reaction or drug interaction. The only caution we discovered concerns the blood-thinner warfarin (Coumadin).

If you take warfarin you need to speak with your pharmacist. Nopalea is a fruit juice. In rare instances, people on warfarin will be restricted from consuming fruit juices for a short time while their medication stabilizes. Only your physician and pharmacist know if you should be restricted from fruit juices at this time, so ask them before you take it. But we have not found a single instance of drug interaction in the medical literature; Nopalea should be very safe.

How much Nopalea can I take in a day?
The label recommends one to three ounces daily. This is based on minimum amounts in otherwise healthy people. However, the greater the level of your inflammation, the more anti-inflammatory strategies you will need. That makes sense, doesn't it? You wouldn't want to quench a forest fire with a single bucket of water!

One Member was experiencing a flare-up of a rheumatoid disorder. She had taken many remedies - prescription and non-prescription - and had seen chiropractors, acupuncturists and massage therapists. She had been in an unbroken cycle of pain for 18 months. She took additional ounces daily and broke the cycle of inflammation and pain in about three weeks. She continues to take it daily with no known adverse effects. And she is pain free.

In the early pilot trials of Nopalea we gave our test subjects 16 ounces daily. Not only did they not experience any known negative effects, their blood work universally improved.

Conclusion
So many of the maladies we suffer from today are related to inflammation. Nopalea contains Betalains; Betalains quench inflammation. Testimonials from around North America report amazing improvement in well-being with Nopalea. Science from around the world details the astounding health benefits from Betalains found in the Nopal cactus. Both scientific and empirical reports tell us that Nopalea is safe and effective in promoting wellness. Enjoy Nopalea often. I promise: we won't run out!

Out of all the health & wellness companies I have looked into Trivita is the best in terms of product range & it's a shame that their not here in Australia yet.

I just joined this forum today and guess what I just joined Trivita today also through a friend who introduced me to the Cactus Juice in the Pink bottle---okay--so I'm new---I don't recall the name of the stuff, but it sure tastes good.

I have read some of the older posts that stated this is not an MLM but something else. Can anyone explain this to me? I thought it was an MLM. I have nothing to say either for or against MLM--BUT if Trivita is NOT and MLM, then how do you get paid? My friend and sponsor doesn't know either because she only signed up a few hours before me. So if anyone wishes to expound on this more I would appreciate it.