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sdcindy
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 11:17
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Mass7000,
I have also joined the program and wrote a blog about it. It contains at lot more detail than the lead capture page, certainly. Feel free to look at it - it's in my sig.
BTW, there is a woman named Rachel who has already sponsored 325 people in 4 days. Can you imagine? With just the sponsor commission of $35 per person, she has already made $11,375 not including her moneyline or any bonuses. All I can say is WOW!
Cindy
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 11:35
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Quoting: Mass7000 I've heard some comments about the debit card. I don't like the idea personally because why can't they just pay through PayPal? Thats the safest way. Does it seem more legit that way. I heard from one of the replays on the forum that some site caused peoples accounts to be closed.
Paypal is a MESS. They have ruined many peoples finances with their tyrannical policies. Just google 'paypal horror stories' or 'paypal settlement'. There is a 9.2million dollar settlement paypal had to pay as a result of the class action suit brought against them.
Make your own decisions of course.
But it is a mistake to think that paypal is a sign of any legitimacy.
Look around this forum - esp. the 2020unlimited posts.
You will see how many people have been abused by paypal's unfair tactics.
They also are making a LOT of interest money by suspending people's accounts, AND ACCESS TO THEIR MONIES, for up to 180 DAYS!!!
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 11:45
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Quoting: teydean Quoting: TJamMoneyMan You are a customer/promoter of this system, didn't you investigate? I took that personal!!! I could have investigated until I was blue in the face, but I still wouldn't know the truth until I tried it myself. I'm willing to take the RISK!!
Hi again Teydean,
I am assuming you are kidding about being insulted!
Anyway, I appreciate that you took the time to further explain LM to me. I am still investigating and will get back to this post after I do other things that MUST be done - I am not a Lawn Chair MILLIONAIRE just yet!
Believe me, I have been taking risks and buying into internet programs, often only to find out there was more (money to be spent) or less (money to be made) to the package then advertised.
Who hasn't this happened to?
"let the buyer beware" is the watchword.
Businessmen don't like cautious consumers, as cats dislike prudent mice!
Thanx for your time, teydean. I appreciate your more in depth and comprehensive answers...
layta,
TJ
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Bigrich
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 11:51
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TJ the only thing you could lose is 50.00 if you joined,,, they give you a MBG on the 30.00 so if you are a risk taker that ain't a bad deal.
And as I siad I have invested in the Vault and that is where I see my money coming from, the people that have signed in under me are just icing on the cake they may not stay so i am taking advantage of the other stuff.
Good Luck
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 11:57
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Quoting: Bigrich TJ the only thing you could lose is 50.00 if you joined,,, they give you a MBG on the 30.00 so if you are a risk taker that ain't a bad deal.
I understand that Bigrich.
I have already lost MUCHO money online taking risks that way.
It is natural at this point to be cautious.
Good business sense!
I am not even working full time so, I DON'T HAVE $50 TO LOOSE NEEDLESSLY!
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 12:00
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Quoting: sdcindy BTW, there is a woman named Rachel who has already sponsored 325 people in 4 days. Can you imagine? With just the sponsor commission of $35 per person, she has already made $11,375 not including her moneyline or any bonuses. All I can say is WOW!
All I can say is, RACHEL should be online here answering some of these questions!
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Bigrich
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 12:05
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Rachel don't do forums, she makes way too much money in all her programs. She is one of the Big Guru's.
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maricel
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 12:25
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Quoting: Bigrich Rachel don't do forums,
Excellent, I'm sure she would be flattered by that post 
Seriously I looked at the top referrers and some of the names there would not get involved if they did not trust the owners, I assume that a lot of them had prior knowledge it was coming out as some of their sign up numbers are pretty awesome.
I am now working my way through the programmes within the vault and must say I am extremely impressed with the products and the overall back office, somebody has invested a lot of time and money in this,
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 12:34
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Quoting: Bigrich Rachel don't do forums, she makes way too much money in all her programs. She is one of the Big Guru's.
I hear that BigRich, but it seems that all programs have 'Big Guru's' that do well.
I think that just about ANY good and experienced online promoter can do well with just about ANY program.
I am a newbie.
I need to know that someone like ME can work a program and make 'Big Guru' money.
I have limited funds, time and experience.
I have found that often programs ask more of me than I am even able to give, just to make even a LITTLE bit of money (PROFIT).
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maricel
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 13:26
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TJ
To answer a question you posed a while ago, LCM has just sent out confirmation of the first payout, copied below
"We just allocated your first month's share of the Moneyline Pool to your available commissions!
You Just Earned : $18.61
And as it stands right now, your current month 2 and month 3 earnings are as follows:
Month 2 : $22.88
Month 3 : $27.89
Please note that these amounts will INCREASE as more sales are generated below you in the Moneyline!"
Checked in my back office and the payment is there, still not going to withdraw it of course until other commissions get it to a reasonable amount to make the debit card worthwhile.
Regards
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Bigrich
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 13:48
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HE HE TJ the reason the big guys get in fast is because they are a group that trusts each other, like wall street tycoons, they have a little inside knowledge and BAM there they are. I am fortunate enough to know 1 fairly well so I get a heads up maybe after the Bigger fish do so That's why I am involved. I don't get involved in anything that these guys aren't because I would be struggling my butt off.
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jinko
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 16:51
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I'm still waiting to see if anyone has actually made the money at midnight or not and how much have they been making on a daily basis without recruiting anyone.. what is the exact cashflow of this thing without recruiting ANYONE body? Can someone give those answers? Or are we all just avoiding those answers for a reason?
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sdcindy
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2007 00:37
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Hi jinko,
I made $68.12 at midnight which was split into 3 payments of $18.02 paid out immediately and $22.43 next month and $27.67 the following month. Remember, these numbers can only go up if my moneyline (my downline) make sales by sponsoring new people or making sales of the products in the "vault".
However, the people who will truly make good money with LCM are the people who are proactive and sponsor folks themselves. For everyone you sponsor, you get a $20 bonus plus $15 per month as long as they remain active. And of course, you make money if these folks sponsor people or sell some of the products in the "vault".
So while you can be passive and do nothing, I would recommend that you take a proactive approach if you really want to succeed.
Thanks,
Cindy
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maricel
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2007 07:51
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Jinko,
Stats from my back office of money actually available in my account.
Current Commissions - as of Tuesday, December 11, 2007
Type Breakdown December Total Available
Moneyline Share Details $18.61 $18.61
Fast Start Bonus Details $20.00 $20.00
Monthly Bonus Details $15.00 $15.00
Smart Cash Referral Bonus $0.00 $0.00
$53.61 $53.61
Total Available Commissions - as of Tuesday, December 11, 2007
Total $53.61 $53.61
In addition there are two more monthly payment in the pipeline totalling $62
As with anything there is risk involved, but if you can sign up a few people below you this is looking good, there is also the products in the vault that can be subscribed to which also provide the opportunity for further earnings.
Regards
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Bigrich
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2007 10:59
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well I invested in programs in the Vault, and Looks like I will make some big bucks in less than a month. And for those that say they are wiating to see,, remember those that hesitate usually lose out.
I get tips from a Big fish so I listen, if some one makes a million or 2 a year I would rather take tips from them than someone who makes nothing but knows everything, if you get my drift...
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maricel
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2007 13:28
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This really is taking off now, some of the statistics in the back office are really impressive. I have just signed up for one of the special opportunities in the vault, will keep this thread posted with how it goes.
Maricel
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mycats
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2007 14:15
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I am not in Lawn Chair after looking into it I decided this was not for me.
For those who do not know it you do not earn passive money in the moneyline. You get that first payment the day you join and then the 2 others that they project over the next 2 months and that is it. To make a passive income you need to recruit, at first glance you might think that you do not have to. If you do not recruit people into this then after 3 months you make no money unless you use what is in the vault.
Now for the product, the vault which is what your are spending $29.95 a month to have access to. Inside the vault you have access to 3 opportunities that you can make money from but you have to spend more money. Now the opportunities inside the vault can be found outside Lawnchair, so what you are really paying for is the step by step instructions that they give you on these programs. Are the instructions worth it, I can not say for you but google lawnchair and see what people have to say about them and decide for yourself.
I must admit that my biggest problem is that they do not say anywhere on the site that you have to pay for a debit card. I think they need to be upfront and honest about this as this is what seems to get many people upset when they find it out. So unless you are a good recruiter then you will be buying one to get your money out. So there goes the moneyline profits.
This is an opportunity that some people can make money from by recruiting and some people can make money with the opportunities inside the vault. You must decide for yourself if this is for you. Do some research and decide about the opportunities inside the vault and if they are for you.
If you decide to join and recruit be upfront and honest about what Lawn Chair is all about. People who get in and feel deceived will not stay and you might have lost a contact for a future opportunity.
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2007 14:36
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Mycats,
I think you summed up your feelings well, you are correct about the passive income not sustaining membership, there again apart from a few get in early ponzi's the same is true for every opportunity.
I think that all the points you raised have been covered in this thread. The one thing about any programme that irks me is that you have to join to get the full detail, this one is no different, however by everyone contributing to threads like this people have information on which to make a decision, your constribution assists. I am pretty sold on this one, but if we were all attracted to the same things then there would not be many opportunites to go round
Regards
Maricel
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Bigrich
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2007 15:24
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on the other hand what is really goofy is that people actually think they can make a killing and NOT spend any money....
there is not a peogram out there that doesn't require an investment. and the ones that say they don't HAVE you made any money???
The opps in the vault are not readily available on the net for the price offered in the vault I know I have checked them out.
And today my 1 opp, that I signed with is over a grand.
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2007 17:47
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This programme is going some.
Commissions earned already pay for the debit card and the entrance fee and I have only been marketing it for a day or so. I think its attraction lies within the vault opportunities, yes you have to pay for them but as bigrich says they are not available anywhere else at the prices inside the vault.
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kalien
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2007 19:49
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Wow!! I, like HappyWife, read through this thread to see what all the Hoopla is about. I've seen so many promotions for Lawnchair Millionaire in every network I belong to. But from reading through all of this, I have to agree with HappyWife's synopsis.
I personally will be taking a "pass" on this one, but I'm looking forward to reading additional posts here on everyone's progress. I hope, for your sakes, this will be a "big fish that got away" from me.
Good Luck to all of you!
Kalien
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sdcindy
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2007 21:34
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Hey thanks Kalien! We will keep you posted
Cheers,
Cindy
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maricel
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# Posted: 12 Dec 2007 15:15
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Hi Kalien,
As requested!
I never mislead people with programmes I am involved with, facts and figures below after 2 1/2 days. Money spent on advertising $30
Cost to join up $79.98
following copied from my back office
Current Commissions - as of Wednesday, December 12, 2007
Type Breakdown December Total Available
Moneyline Share Details $18.61 $18.61
Fast Start Bonus Details $60.00 $60.00
Monthly Bonus Details $45.00 $45.00
Smart Cash Referral Bonus $0.00 $0.00
$123.61 $123.61
Total Available Commissions - as of Wednesday, December 12, 2007
Total $123.61 $123.61
About $10 up after joining and ad costs, plus have over 30 prospects in the auto responder and I have not started using the products offered within the programme yet.
Not expecting to change your mind but facts and figures are always useful.
Regards
M
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# Posted: 12 Dec 2007 21:59
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Quoting: maricel Current Commissions - as of Wednesday, December 12, 2007 Type Breakdown December Total Available Moneyline Share Details $18.61 $18.61 Fast Start Bonus Details $60.00 $60.00 Monthly Bonus Details $45.00 $45.00 Smart Cash Referral Bonus $0.00 $0.00 $123.61 $123.61 Total Available Commissions - as of Wednesday, December 12, 2007 Total $123.61 $123.61 About $10 up after joining and ad costs, plus have over 30 prospects in the auto responder and I have not started using the products offered within the programme yet.
Now THAT'S an answer in DETAIL!
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freebird658
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# Posted: 12 Dec 2007 22:53
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Yes, with the LM if you are a good recruiter you can make a pretty good income in fast start and monthly bonuses! But it gets harder the further down the moneyline you are. Because as you can see it's the Gurus who are at the top and are the ones making all the BIG money because they got a jump on this and they also have their HUGE lists to promote LM to which gives them the advantage over us little guys. Plus it looks like everyone and their brother is promoting this..it's all over the internet..so the competition is fierce. If you can't get your 10 signups to qualify you for your free debit card and create enough income with this to cover the monthly fee..then it really isn't worth it. But if you can be lucky enough to get those signups then you can generate a nice income.
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2007 11:26
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as I said I am using the vault to make my money.
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maricel
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2007 16:39
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Bigrich has hit the key,
If you can cover your costs by recruiting, well done, if you can make money by recruiting very well done.
What you are paying for besides the opportunity to market the product is the programmes within the vault. Yes they cost money to join but they are programmes that do not rely on recruiting, they offer guidence and the opportunity to get involved in other income streams. From what I have seen so far this is where the real opportunity is. Like anything there has to be some trust involved. I have given all the information regarding the programme that I can, the three opportunities in the vault are for members to weigh up and judge whether or not they can make money out of them.
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2007 22:01
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Quoting: maricel What you are paying for besides the opportunity to market the product is the programmes within the vault. Yes they cost money to join but they are programmes that do not rely on recruiting, they offer guidence and the opportunity to get involved in other income streams. From what I have seen so far this is where the real opportunity is.
Well here we go!
I am back at the same question point: These 'vault' programs cost money to join. And since "this is where the real opportunity is", how much will it cost to buy AND promote the vault programs (which I sure as hell thought 'access to the vault' meant 'access to the vault'!!).
How much to buy into the vault programs, and THEN advertise for THOSE as well?
All I ask for is a complete and comprehensive cost analysis.
Is that too much to ask for?
I don't want to buy into something and then find it costs more money than I was ready to spend in order to promote it, upgrade or whatever.
I have a budget to work with.
Doesn't anyone else have limited funds to work with?
I know it costs money to make money, all I ask is HOW MUCH???
I know you guys can answer this one, I have seen other good answers out there.
Or CAN you?
HOW 'BOUT IT?
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2007 22:11
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Quoting: freebird658 But it gets harder the further down the moneyline you are. Because as you can see it's the Gurus who are at the top and are the ones making all the BIG money because they got a jump on this and they also have their HUGE lists to promote LM to which gives them the advantage over us little guys. Plus it looks like everyone and their brother is promoting this..it's all over the internet..so the competition is fierce. If you can't get your 10 signups to qualify you for your free debit card and create enough income with this to cover the monthly fee..then it really isn't worth it.
That is an issue.
I would probably get involved in this program had I had the funds to join.
I was ready to git $80 together but of course, it'll take MORE money to
buy into the vault programs, THEN more money to promote THEM!
And apparently,
I have to buy into this NOW before I wind up too far down the downline for it to be 'worth it' - "...the competition is fierce...If you can't get 10 signups... to qualify for a debit card... to cover the monthly fee...it isn't worth it".
I truly don't have money to just throw around, taking unnecessary risks.
Can anyone at least UNDERSTAND my concerns?
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2007 22:33
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Quoting: TJamMoneyMan I truly don't have money to just throw around, taking unnecessary risks. Can anyone at least UNDERSTAND my concerns?
You have very valid concerns and I do understand..I too was concerned and then found myself a bit disappointed after I paid the $79 to join then found that everything in the vaults and the only way to collect your commissions..the debit card..will cost you even more money! There is nothing free included with this program except the banners and email ads to promote it. So like I said earlier if you can get at least 10 signups to earn the bonuses and to qualify to get the free debit card then you may be able to afford the programs in the vault if you choose, and maybe purchase the leads and the autoresponder they will sell to you too. I would give it some serious thought before you make the decision to join. Only you can decide if you can afford it or not. If you got it to spend this could be a great program for you but if you don't and your looking for something with minimal investment this probably isn't for you.
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